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Comparing the border camps, where people can leave at anytime just by saying they no longer want to enter the US, to the Nazi concentration camps, shows a deep ignorance of history.
I don’t want to get into it any further with you, but I do feel it’s deeply disrespectful to the Holocaust victims to misunderstand what they went through so badly.
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“A third of the prisoners died every week. If a worker was hurt, they were allotted three days of recovery time. If they failed to heal, the infirmary — where Dr. Mengele was already begun his nefarious work on women and children — would inject a fatal dose of phenol directly into their hearts.
Of the 2,722 Slovakian Jews who had been rounded up with Weczler and Vrba, only 159 survived to the summer of 1942. Those who died had been dumped, with another approximately 105,000 bodies, into shallow trenches around Birkenau. “As they decomposed” Conot noted, “the earth rose like a yeasty mixture of dough and bubbled up nauseating gases, which spread for miles.”“
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2020.10.13 22:59 ar_david_hh Oct/13/2020 wrap-up: \\ War in Artsakh (Karabakh) \\ Azerbaijan targets civilian population again \\ Azerbaijan's Syrian jihadists reveal more details about deployment and conditions; some of them revolt and get arrested in Syria \\ battles in north & south \\ analysis & army briefing \\ casualties

Prior events: October 12, October 11 , October 10, October 9 , October 8 , October 7, October 6, October 5, October 4, October 3, October 2, October 1, September 30, September 29, September 28, September 27
 

some jihadists want to leave Azerbaijan

Yesterday we learned about a Middle Eastern journalist who reported the death of 51 jihadists and spoke with one of their friends.
Syrian outlet Jisr (Джиср) reports that the bodies of some jihadists were transported back to Syria in meat trucks in secrecy. Only their families were allowed to pay farewell at night.
The outlet's source says 300 of the Karabakh-based mercenary militants have asked Turkey to send them back to Syria because Azeris won't let them take proper rest.
Video. Graphic: https://t.me/infoteka24/8764

"militant recruiter blown up in an act of revenge"

EaDaily reports: a vehicle belonging to one of the commanders who recruited militants for Azerbaijan, was blown up in northern Syria.
His friends believe it was an act of revenge carried out by the family of one of the militants who was killed in Karabakh.
The incident took place in Barad, Northern Syria. The target was Hamza Division commander Abu Jaber. A video was recorded allegedly showing the burning car and a photo of the gravely wounded commander in the hospital.
Officially, this [pro-Turkish] Hamza Division accused the Kurdish PKK of being behind the bombing.
Meanwhile, another video was published yesterday showing Syrian militants, dressed in Azeri uniforms and using Azeri armored vehicles, fighting in Karabakh.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/10/12/za-smert-boevika-v-nagornom-karabahe-v-sirii-podorvali-glavu-gruppirovki#pid=2
https://factor.am/294953.html

a Syrian militant reveals details about their conditions

The National article: "Turkey's Syrian militias in Nagorno-Karabakh ask: 'Why are we here?"
“I'm talking to you now from an underground bunker where we had to run away,” said Ibrahim, 24, a member of [pro-Turkish] Sultan Murad Brigade, in a phone call with The National earlier in the week.
He complained about Armenian airstrikes and losing many friends.
'I don't know what we are doing here. Even money is not a reason to be in this horror movie. The Turks put us in such a position that we can't any more escape from here. I hope we will be able to come back with our legs and arms," said Ibrahim.
His location, shared over WhatsApp, showed he was near Akhmedalylar, close to Iran. It is 1,300km from the refugee camp in which his family lives near the town of Sarmada at the Syrian-Turkish border.
Ibrahim said that 3 weeks ago, one of the militia officers asked for volunteers for Turkish operations in Azerbaijan. "Many of us refused after they saw what happened in Turkey’s intervention in Libya. But I thought I could make money."
He was paid $1,300 for 3 months on September 24th, three days before the war began.
He was then taken to Kilis, Gaziantep, Ankara, Baku. He estimates 3,000 militants are present in Azerbaijan.
“They gave us food, military uniforms and equipment like sniper rifles and anti-tank rockets, but we are under heavy bombardment. On Friday alone we lost six men and 30 of us were injured."
Last Saturday, Mohammed, a young fighter from Maaret Al Numan, was declared dead. A picture of him in an olive grove in happier times was shared with The National by his close friends.
... in other news...
"[Another militant] said that of the 200 fighters with whom he went to Libya, only about half returned. Families are still waiting for the compensation that Turkey promised."
Full story: https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/turkey-s-syrian-militias-in-nagorno-karabakh-ask-why-are-we-here-1.1091322
https://news.am/arm/news/607697.html
 

To jihad or not to jihad? That's the question

Al-Mayadeen media correspondent has learned that the Turkish-backed Hamza Division in Afrin, Syria has arrested 13 of its members for refusing to fight for Azerbaijan.
The supporters of the Syrian rebel group "Free Syrian Army" have condemned the arrests, stating that 400 have so far refused to join Azerbaijan.
https://twitter.com/AlMayadeenLive/status/1316034665778683904
https://twitter.com/517design/status/1316056257049104390
https://twitter.com/517design/status/1316060196096167941?s=20

purchasing politicians is one way to keep them quiet about your terrorism

"How Azerbaijan Is Lobbying Washington To Sanitize Its War"
Azerbaijan hired several law firms to lobby for them in the United States. Among them is VP candidate Kamala Harris's husband's "DLA Piper" firm.
Harris's husband had earlier announced plans to "transition his clients to different attorneys in the firm" to avoid "conflict of interest" if his wife becomes the VP.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/as-war-rages-azerbaijan-pumps-money-and-propaganda-into-u-s-lobbying-machine/
https://www.law.com/americanlawye2020/08/17/emhoff-kamala-harris-spouse-taking-leave-from-dla/
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1315739524098674689

a few more things from yesterday

A new self-explanatory animation by KillDim production:
https://www.facebook.com/killldim/videos/704831950125267
About yesterday's huge demonstration in Los Angeles
https://youtu.be/lu6RIJDY5-c
The ex-president of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili was punched in the head by unknown men while meeting a group of Georgians in Athens, Greece. Tear gas had to be used. Saakashvili is a divisive figure in Georgia and has a criminal warrant against him.
https://youtu.be/M6OS8x42UM0?t=4
https://tass.com/world/1211411

October 13th arrives / the battlefield / international response / donations

23:41: a short film about the Republic of Artsakh.
https://t.me/infoteka24/8779
00:01: a group of French doctors, specialized in war wounds, have arrived in Armenia for weeklong assistance.
https://t.me/reartsakheng/530
00:15: the Armenian army reported about the death of 4,900 Azeri soldiers. Since the data is classified in Azerbaijan, social media and other sources are being scrapped by various activists to find the identities of the deceased. 517 Azeri names have already been identified so far. Another 160 being verified ATM.
https://t.me/infoteka24/8765
00:35: Russian journalist Yuri Kotenok was wounded after the Azeri drone/missile bombed the Shushi church. He released a video from the hospital, calling Azerbaijan's deliberate targeting of civilians a "genocide".
https://t.me/infoteka24/8766
1:43: Israeli activist Elie Joseph organized a hunger strike and sued the Israeli government to stop the sale of suicide drones to Azerbaijan. The Israeli court, however, rejected his petition, stating that the activist hadn't provided "enough evidence that the drones were used for war crimes."
The Armenian community leader in Israel joined the calls to suspend the drone sales to Azerbaijan.
https://factor.am/294876.html
https://t.me/reartsakh/4812
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031484.html
22:42: 13-year-old Robert and his family were fleeing Martakert in their car when an Israeli-made Azeri drone targeted their car. All family members received wounds. Robert spent 5 days in a coma.
Photo: https://news.am/arm/news/607781.html
2:18: Artsakh president Arayik Harutyunyan has a new fanboy?
The largest state-backed Iranian media outlet IRNA (Islamic Republic News Agency) published Arayik's photo with an iconic finger pointing in the air, and mentioned how Arayik criticized the Israeli government for supplying the suicide drones to Azerbaijan, which are being used to target civilians.
Arayik had earlier invited Iran to join Artsakh in the fight against Syrian jihadists recruited by Azerbaijan and Turkey.
The article also mentions how the army spokesman Artsrun Hovhannisyan accused Israel of continuing the drone supplies disguised as humanitarian aid.
https://www.irna.inews/84071998/ارمنستان-تل-آویو-آتش-بیار-جنگ-قره-باغ-است
https://t.me/reartsakh/4813
At night, the Azeri army continued to bomb three civilian settlements. A house caught a fire in Martakert.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031428.html
9:22 MoD: the battlefield was stable-tense at night. Azeris resumed the attack on 3 fronts in the morning. Northeast was the most active. Our units take adequate actions in all directions to silence the enemy's fire and keep the operative-tactical situation under our control.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031419.html
9:28 MoD: Azerbaijan's claims about us firing at Tartar city is false. They need a pretense to bomb our civilian settlements again.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031420.html
10:22 army: Azerbaijan has so far lost 5139 soldiers (KIA), 4 TOS missile units, 521 tanks and armored vehicles, 18 aircrafts, 16 helicopters, 173 drones, etc.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031421.html
10:48: army published the names of 17 more Armenian soldiers who died in the battlefield, and clarified that the names of 10 soldiers were erroneously added to the list yesterday. 532 deaths.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031424.html
10:49: video from the front line showing the defenders of the northern front. Azeris had tried to capture a position at 3,300m height but were repelled after sustaining heavy losses.
Soldiers: beginning 8:30 they began heavily bombing for 2 hours and launched an attack with ~60 men. 30 of them intruded in our territory but couldn't infiltrate our position. Our boys knew what to do. One of ours was wounded.
https://youtu.be/CytFHxqeBvg
Photos: https://factor.am/294750.html
10:58: MFA Mnatsakanyan is holding a meeting with Minks Group co-chairs.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031425.html
11:03 army spokesman: the veterans of the First Karabakh War should know that their sons not only successfully continue their work but they exceed them in many ways.
https://news.am/arm/news/607664.html
11:18: Artsakh Parliament passed a bill to create a new "աշխարհազոր" army consisted of anyone who wishes to volunteer. Men and women, young and old, who aren't already in the army reserves, will be able to sign up, undergo training, and receive a weapon.
Artsakh president Arayik called upon everyone to unite and "help break the enemy's back to secure our right for a peaceful existence."
It's similar to the bill in the Armenian Parliament that was scheduled for a vote before the war.
"In the coming hours and days, our army will be replenished with our citizens with rich experience and knowledge of professional warfare and military service, whose participation will significantly contribute to increasing the effectiveness of our troops on the battlefield."
https://factor.am/294794.html
https://factor.am/294904.html
https://factor.am/295084.html
11:32: a drone [visibly Azerbaijan's Harop] crashed in northern Iran, not far from the Artsakh border. Iran's govt-run news agency IRNA says the authorities are investigating whose it is and how it crashed.
Video: https://youtu.be/N__FmDNDoI4
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031429.html , https://factor.am/294827.html , https://fip.am/13310
11:56: the World Monument Foundation has sharply criticized the acts of destroying cultural heritage buildings, after learning that Azerbaijan bombed the church in Shuchi. They asked both sides to refrain from damaging such buildings.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031431.html
12:04 Artsakh govt: the enemy launched a new large scale attack again. Peaceful settlements are also being shelled by artillery. Several thousand mercenary terrorists are taking part in the military operations on the Azerbaijani side.
Our army is fighting hard, trying to stop the enemy's offensive operations. Every effort must be made to inflict great losses on the enemy to ensure victory in this patriotic war.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031433.html
12:21: Orber Center is one of the groups that try to find the identities of the deceased Azeri soldiers. They identified 619 names by checking non-govt sources because Azerbaijan officially keeps it secret. More is yet to be identified.
Names: https://factor.am/294855.html
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031434.html
12:23 army spokesman: Our troops are currently fighting heroically and persistently.
https://factor.am/294840.html
12:24: Artsakh army published footage showing the aftermath of a battle that left numerous Azeri soldiers dead. Presumably in the north. "The enemy continues to suffer heavy losses."
Graphic but blurred: https://youtu.be/hd7mMaoBUzA
https://news.am/arm/news/607678.html
12:27: army released footage showing the destruction of an Azeri tank.
https://youtu.be/c_s-owNSLfY
12:57: a Parliament MP has urged the public not to delay their planned purchases and spend it now to help boost the economy and generate taxes. "Don't worry about the optics of going to a cafe and purchasing clothes in the mall."
https://news.am/arm/news/607690.html
12:58: Azerbaijan is caught with allegedly bribing the now-former President of the International Federation of United Wrestling Styles Rafael Martinetti.
Rafael is accused of accepting large sums from Azeri officials possibly as a bribe or money laundering. The Swiss media writes that Azeris "donated" him 6 million Franks in 2012, which he illegally kept secret and didn't mention in the wealth declaration forms.
A year after the bribe, in 2013, the Olympics Committee decided to remove the Wrestling from the Olympics games due to it being mired in corruption, but later decided to keep it, after Rafael resigned as Wrestling committee president.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031438.html
By the way, Azerbaijan also purchased gold medals in the 2012 London Olympics.
https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/fixing-the-olympics-azerbaijans-boxing-scandal
13:23: Armenian MoD met an Iranian colleague to discuss the war and the presence of terrorists deployed by Azerbaijan.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031443.html
13:42: Russian MoD Shoygu expressed concerns over the news about the presence of Syrian militants in Karabakh front, and urged a ceasefire.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031444.html
13:50: in other news, four Syrian militants were neutralized in Chechnia, Southern Russia. Chechen president Ramzan Kadyrov says the militants came from Syria. "The locals helped us identify them. Unfortunately, two officers died during the operation. The militants had plans to commit acts of terror."
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031457.html , https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031447.html
https://tass.com/emergencies/1211683
14:07: after Azeris entered the north-eastern village Mataghis last week, one of their soldiers uploaded a video shit-talking Russia and the CSTO military alliance.
https://infoteka24.ru/2020/10/13/72351/ , https://t.me/infoteka24/8787
14:37: video from a humanitarian center showing activists gathering aid for Artsakh residents, with the help of shipping companies like Globbing. "They are working like bees."
https://youtu.be/2rTdwBOkVzA
14:45: Georgian MFA says they prohibited the transfer of weapons over land and air since the escalation. "Only humanitarian and passenger flights are allowed," said the MFA, adding that they'll take appropriate steps if they find out that a humanitarian flight transports military equipment.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031451.html
15:00: Prince Abdulrahman bin Musad bin Abdulaziz al-Saud has joined the calls to boycott Turkish products after Turkey installed a military base in Qatar and bragged about its role in the Persian Gulf.
Saudi Arabia has recently begun officially pressuring its businesses to boycott Turkish products.
https://factor.am/294892.html
15:20: President Sarkissian gave an interview to the Russian RT outlet and spoke about Turkey's involvement in the conflict and the targeting of civilians.
https://youtu.be/VmrKytw1k3g
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031456.html
15:30: this little boy organized a charity show to pull a car with a rope. The donations will be sent to the army. https://youtu.be/kGTqu67dmz0
This little girl sells handmade bracelets for 25 cents a piece to help the army.
https://youtu.be/KXMAdxg1Wdk
15:51: MFA Mnatsakanyan gave an interview to BBC Newshour
https://factor.am/294927.html
16:02: the United States, the Russian church, Minks co-chairs, and others, have called for both sides to respect the ceasefire.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031463.html , https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031464.html , https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031466.html
16:33: 673 pieces of Turkish and Israeli-made illegal cluster bombs and other missiles have been discovered in the capital Stepanakert so far. They'll be transported outside the city for safe detonation.
https://youtu.be/1uu56Z4MX_Y
https://factor.am/294961.html
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031490.html
16:40: the Armenian community of Estonia held a demonstration in Tallin in support of Artsakh.
Photos: https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031465.html\
16:42: the aerial footage of the Shushi church that was bombed by Azerbaijan last week.
https://youtu.be/pICPtmPVgOs
17:02: this goldfish managed to survive a severe bombardment of a house in Stepanakert. The owner plans to release it and make a wish.
https://infocom.am/Article/38749 , https://t.me/infocomm/23168
17:30: High-Tech Minister says the domestic drone production and military equipment repair industry is working around the clock.
https://factor.am/294996.html
17:38: Azeri infiltrators had earlier entered the southern town of Hadrut before being pushed out. Today Azeris uploaded images of a flag to satisfy Aliyev, supposedly installed on a building in Hadrut, but it was revealed as not being from Hadrut but rather a suburb, which matches the official Armenian statement that Azeris were pushed to an outskirt of Hadrut. It is also unclear when the photo was taken.
https://t.me/reartsakh/4838
17:59: the legend of Azniv Khanum continues. The Azeri media circulated fake photos about an Armenian woman in Stepanakert allegedly installing a sign in front of her houses that reads "welcome" in Azeri language.
https://t.me/infocomm/23175
17:50: Slovakian government has donated $25,000 to Artsakh through the Red Cross.
https://t.me/infocomm/23173
18:10: Italian-Armenians held a demonstration in Rome's Monte Citorio square, urging the govt to recognize the Artsakh Republic.
They were joined by former Prime Minister Matteo Salvini who expressed solidarity with Armenians. "We must not forget the suffering of the people close to us. If Europe means something to you, then defend our brothers who are the bastion of European civilization in the Caucasus and the Middle East."
https://www.facebook.com/salviniofficial/posts/10158143981178155
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031479.html
https://news.am/arm/news/607762.html , https://news.am/arm/news/607762.html
18:27: the city council of Kragero, Norway, joined by the current and three previous mayors, signed a resolution condemning the aggression against Artsakh.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031480.html
18:41: the Pontic Greek community donated $100,000 to Artsakh via www.HimnaDram.org
https://www.panarmenian.net/arm/news/286495/
18:55: MFA Mnatsakanyan met Russia's Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031481.html
19:45: France is concerned about Turkey's role in Artsakh and "expects answers".
https://news.am/arm/news/607758.html
19:51: PM Pashinyan spoke with the Prime Minister of the Netherlands Mark Rutte about the right for people's self-determination and the Turkish-Azeri aggression against Artsakh.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031492.html
20:00: Armenian demonstrators marched between the UN office and the Russian embassy and called for the official recognition of the Artsakh Republic.
https://youtu.be/p3PRoVDlB9A
20:44: ladies in Gyumri are sewing clothes for the soldiers in the front lines. "Our production was small, but as soon as the war broke out, we started sewing water-resistant clothes and sleeping bags, which are a basic necessity for the soldiers, because my brother, being a participant in the 2016 battles, said that it was more important to have dry clothes than food."
https://factor.am/295036.html
20:45 world chess champion Garry Kasparov: "Starting point of Karabakh tragedy is Sumgait pogrom."
"Lenin, who viewed Turkey as the main ally, transferred two territories - Nakhichevan, populated in half by Armenians and Azerbaijanis, and Karabakh, inhabited exclusively by Armenians, to Azerbaijan. In fact, there is one detail that fundamentally separates the problem of Karabakh with Crimea and many other problems.
The law of the Soviet Union, which was adopted in 1990, provided for a fairly clear rule for the secession of the union republic, and it was clearly stated that the autonomous republics and national groups of compact residence should vote separately. And in the event of this disintegration, they have the right to their own self-determination.
This is a very important point that many people ignore now. Therefore, the question of Azerbaijan's sovereignty is dubious."
https://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/286492/Garry_Kasparov_Starting_point_of_Karabakh_tragedy_is_Sumgait_pogrom
https://t.me/reartsakheng/573
 
21:00 army spokesman's briefing: in the morning, Azeris launched an attack in 4 directions. The northern section was intense. After a heavy bombardment, they launched an attack. There have been very few instances of such fierce battles in this war. Our army was able to throw them back and inflict heavy losses on them.
The battles continued elsewhere, too. The opponent has no significant advancements. In the past few days, Azeris adopted a new strategy. They form infiltration groups for quick entry in various settlements to quickly plant a flag for video-taping and propaganda purposes. It's mainly done for the Azeri public, but they also try to use it as psychological pressure against Armenia.
For a while now, after losing their attack potential and not gaining any significant achievements on the battlefield, they need to feed the Azeri public with such propaganda.
In the past 15 days, Azerbaijan's 4 military Corps achieved what a single Brigade was supposed to achieve. [basically, 50,000 did what 5,000 could normally do?]. They have no room to brag. Any international military expert with elementary knowledge can verify this.
This is why they need to quickly infiltrate settlements, take pictures with buildings, claim they are at the city halls, etc.
The situation in Hadrut is still the same. It's a mountainous and forest area. There can be infiltration attempts by Azeris.
Don't forget about defending yourself from COVID. We're seeing increasing numbers.
https://youtu.be/H1LsppEJbg4
https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Զորագունդ
 
21:30: the Evangelical People's Party of Switzerland has sent a letter to the Swiss Parliament and MFA, urging an "immediate intervention to stop Azerbaijan's aggression against Artsakh", citing a threat of genocide, the bombardment of civilian settlements, the Turkish involvement.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031498.html
21:40: the Russian-Armenian community has been sending 10s of 1000s of tons of aid to Artsakh.
https://youtu.be/XU2jJ6OuMGw
22:46: Armenians held a demonstration in front of the Parliament building in Paris.
https://www.armtimes.com/hy/article/198597
23:29: U.S. Congressman Adam Schiff has called for the United States to officially recognize the independence of the Artsakh Republic.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031507.html
23:30: Russian ANNA military reporters released footage from front lines, featuring soldiers who shot down 6 drones and enemy personnel, and their opinion on the so-called "ceasefire".
https://youtu.be/q4EpmNShlqQ
23:37: Pashinyan gave an interview to Reuters and spoke about Turkey's aggression and "their goal to complete the genocide".
https://www.facebook.com/nikol.pashinyan/posts/2778757912444586
23:38: as of right now, 31 civilians have been killed and 106 wounded in Artsakh.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1031508.html
 
Worldwide donations to Artsakh: www.HimnaDram.org
Tax-deductable for Americans: www.ArmeniaFund.org
 
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2020.09.11 21:04 novusunda Perun - slavic mythology

Perun, old god of war and punisher of oath breakers, has a number of Moravian and Slovakian folklore. If you have any stories please share.
Some interesting information resources:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun
- http://perun.ca/Stories.aspx
- https://infogalactic.com/info/Perun
Perun was a ruler of the living world, sky and earth, and was often symbolised by an eagle sitting on the top of the tallest branch of the tree, from which he kept watch over the entire world.
One of Perun's main roles is to restore the earth's productive powers after the multi-headed snake demon steals the holy waters, takes away the earth's moisture, and renders her infertile.
Folktales are replete with motifs of dead and live water.
What is the source of these waters? This brings us to the arbor mundi, the world tree. There, in the centre of the universe stands the oak tree, on its top sits the bird of paradise, the eagle, under its roots lies the snake demon. Two springs flow out from under the tree; one of live water, and the other of dead water. Near the springs sit three women, the fortune tellers. One knows the past, the other the future, and the third, the present. They decide what should be and what should not be, and the fate of every being. They bring death or life, and continuously work over the creation of the world (Here I may add that one of the magical values of live water is that it imparts wisdom and power to tell the future).
Perun has to drink the living fluids of the celestial wells first before he is able to kill the snake demon, and send life generating rains down to earth.
As Perun is himself incapable of impregnating the earth without having first drunk the fluids of life from the celestial springs. The sun gets his strength and energy back only by bathing in the pure spring rains. The sun and fire are attributes of Perun.
As Perun is himself incapable of impregnating the earth without having first drunk the fluids of life from the celestial springs. The sun gets his strength and energy back only by bathing in the pure spring rains. The sun and fire are attributes of Perun.
+perun +slovak
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2020.09.09 09:05 TunnelVisionNews So my girlfriend had this necklace passed down to her and we were wondering who this women was, we know she’s either Czech or Slovakian so I’m asking both subs, thanks

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2020.09.01 13:35 demfrecklestho Weekly Schedule (August 31 - September 6)

2020 – Week 36

Hello, and sorry for being one day late this week. This week is of course all about the Tour: there are many other races going on, but they're either pretty small or have no live coverage (or both). As for women's racing, all eyes will be on France as well with one of the best races of the calendar which should be getting live coverage.
Race M/W Rank M T W T F S S
Tour de France M 2.WT < 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (+12)
Tour de Hongrie M 2.1 < 3 4 5
Giro d’Italia U23 M 2.2U < 3 4 5 6 7 8
GP Euromat W 1.2 x
Carpathian Couriers Race M 1.2U x
Settimana Internazionale Coppi e Bartali M 1.1 1a-1b 2 3 4
Tour de Serbie M 2.2 1 2 3
Tour Cycliste Féminin International de l’Ardèche W 2.1 1 2 3 (+4)
Albertina Baltyk Karkonosze Tour M 2.2 1 2 3
GP Develi ME M 1.2 x
GP Develi WE W 1.2 x
Belgrade-Banjaluka M 2.1 1 2 3 (+1)
GP Cappadocia ME M 1.2 x
GP Cappadocia WE W 1.2 x

Tour de France (stages 3 – 9)

After a cracking opener with two excellent stages in Nice, Julian Alaphilippe is the early GC leader. During this week the race will gradually move westwards towards the Pyrénées, alternating sprinter-friendly stages (stages 3, 5 and 7) with harder days of racing: both Tuesday’s stage 4 and Thursday’s stage 6 feature uphill finishes. Then, on the weekend, we’ll have two stages in the Pyrénées- no major climbs are set to feature here either, and neither stage ends with a climb… but they’re both very short, and the racing will undoubtedly be hectic. After that, the riders will have a well-earned rest day on Monday. Of course you will find race and results threads and detailed previews of every stage on /peloton, so I won’t dwell too much here!

Settimana Internazionale Coppi e Bartali

This race, whose name just means International Coppi and Bartali week, is a stage race held in the beautiful Romagna region of northeastern Italy. As for the first half of the race, the organizers adopted a “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it attitude”: the two half-stages on the first day (a mostly flat affair and a TTT) and the hilly stage wrapping up in Sogliano on the second day are pretty much the same as the past few years. For stages 3 and 4 the organizers got more creative: they scrapped the Crevalcore sprint- another common fixture of this race- and designed two tough stages in the Apennines. Stage 3 includes Carpegna, a challenging climb which was one of Pantani’s favourite training grounds and has thus been nicknamed “the pirate’s sky”- which is objectively a pretty cool moniker. Alas, there won’t be live coverage… and it’s a real shame as the startlist looks better than it has ever been- I suppose teams are using this race as training grounds for Tirreno-Adriatico.

TCFIA

The Tour Cycliste Féminin International de l’Ardèche (or TCFIA for short) is a week-long women’s stage race held in the Ardèche region of southern France. It’s a hidden gem, with a good startlist and one of the best courses of the whole calendar, a very sturdy race with barely any flat terrain… this is the first year we’re supposed to have live coverage of this race, via a YT stream! Last year, Marianne Vos won in absolutely dominant fashion, claiming 5 stages out of 7 (including the Mont Lozère uphill finish) and ending up with a 6 minutes gap over second-placed Clara Koppenburg. That race will also be remembered for Marta Bastianelli winning a stage solo, with a 7’ margin above the peloton!

Tour du Doubs

Sunday’s Tour du Doubs is a hilly French race held near the Swiss border, culminating in a fast descent to the finish line. It’s your usual French 1.1 race, with all French teams in attendance alongside a plethora of PCTs and a few Continental teams too. Last year it was held on the weekend before worlds and Stefan Küng had a convincing win, which hinted at his excellent form at the time.

Tour de Hongrie (stages 3 – 5)

Just like the Tour de France, the national tour of Hungary kicked off last Saturday… but it’s not going to last three weeks, it’s wrapping up on Wednesday. The first two stages ended in mass sprints, and the course of stages 3 and 4 suggests we’re in for a couple more bunch kicks before the last stage, which will undoubtedly prove decisive for GC as it’s wrapping up with a 12-kms long climb which will bring the riders to nearly 1000 m of altitude. After two stages, Caja Rural’s Ion Aberasturi is leading the GC.
edit: after three stages, the GC leader is now Mitchelton’s young sprinter Kaden Groves.

Balkan races

It’s not just France and Hungary enjoying their national tour this week, Serbia wants in on the fun as well! The Tour de Serbie runs from Tuesday to Thursday; stage 1 is lumpy, while the following two stages are much flatter. It’s a 2.2 race with no major names at the start.
As soon as the Tour de Serbie is over, another race starts: the Belgrade-Banjaluka kicks off on Friday, and lasts four days. Compared to Serbie, it’s a higher-rated race (2.1) and WT teams could be in attendance… but there won’t be any, there will actually be only one PCT (Caja Rural), the rest is smaller teams. This race connects the Serbian capital with the Bosnian city of Banja Luka, although in its early days it was the other way around; the format also changed from a one-day race to a four-days stage race. Three stages out of four will be flat, with a short uphill finish on stage 2 looking like a potential GC decider.

Giro d’Italia U23 (stages 3 – 8)

The youth version of the corsa rosa will last until Sunday… and it’s a shame we can’t follow this race live, as the course is truly outstanding! Stage 3 is mostly flat, but then we’ll have three uphill finishes- stage 4 climbs to Bolca, a place near Verona known for fossils; stage 7 features a very long (albeit not steep) climb to Montespluga; last but not least, stage 8 is a real classic with the famous Mortirolo/Aprica combo. And even if it doesn’t look like a big day GC-wise, stage 6 should be at least extremely scenic, as the riders will circle around the entirety of Lake Como. Unluckily, some of the areas crossed by stages 4 and 5 have been hit by terrible weather over the weekend, so I’m not sure whether those stages will have to be redesigned. Spaniard Alejandro Ropero (Kometa-Xstra) won the first stage and is currently leading the GC.
EDIT: after stage 3, the new GC leader is young Italian rider Colnaghi

Lesser races

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2020.07.06 19:38 MikeJesus Everyone in my village screams at the setting sun

In the shadow of the Tatra mountains, in the valleys where reception is non-existent and the radios sing a single static filled song, there is a village. It’s no different than the other villages you would find in the Slovakian countryside; there’s a single road lined with wooden cottages, the occasional pensioner on a horse and the fresh mountain air is intermixed with the gentle smell of manure. It’s just like any other village.
Except for the screaming.
Every evening, after the day’s fieldwork is finished and dinner has been eaten, the people of the village get ready for the ceremony. They wash up, put on their Sunday best and gather at the edge of the woods. A couple dozen people, young and old, but mostly old, watch as the sun slowly sets behind the tree line. The lower the ball of fire sinks behind the dark wood the more their mouths open.
It starts off as a gentle gargle, something you’d have to be close to hear, but as the sky reddens those whispered screams grow into a throaty thunder that echoes through the valley. The children in their buttoned suspenders, the old women in their humble headscarves, the farmers wearing their wedding suits – they all scream at the setting sun from the core of their souls.
I grew up in this. This all seemed normal.
As most children do, I had my ‘Why?’ period. I would ask why the sky is blue, why Mr. Jozkovicz’s rooster crows every morning, why the trees shed their leaves with the coming of winter. I was a young human being trying to make sense of the world that I had been plunged into. My mother and father answered most of these questions to the best of their abilities, they supported my curiosity, but as soon as I asked about the screaming their tone changed.
My father would slam his blistered hands on the table and send me to bed without supper. Some questions were simply not meant to be asked. My mother would sneak into my room after all the lights were off with some porridge. She would sit down on the edge of my bed and give me food under the promise that I wouldn’t question the daily ritual. The people of the village simply had a habit of saying goodbye to the setting sun in their own special way. That was all I needed to know.
Some questions were simply not meant to be asked.
I was hungry enough to let go of my curiosity.
My voice was hoarse from all the screaming and the question of the ritual did steal some sleep away from me, but there were more important things to attend to. There were cows to milk and chicken to feed and horses to groom. Sometimes, for a couple loaves of fresh bread or a plastic bottle of moonshine, I would be asked to attend to the neighbor’s livestock as well. Apparently the animals liked me. Whenever my parents, or anyone else in the village, would enter our barn the cattle would buck and ram against the wood in discomfort. It was only if I was alone with them that they would calm.
Whenever any of the livestock was giving birth I’d be summoned to keep the animal company. It was in those big dumb eyes of new mothers that I would find peace. The world was a mysterious place. Some questions were simply not meant to be asked. But I still asked them. By lantern light, as Olga, our heftiest cow, fed her calves I would talk to her. Her ears fluttered as I asked her about the screaming. We became friends.
My childhood blended into my teens in a calm, rural pace. I muddied my clothes feeding and cleaning and grooming the animals during the day, then I would eat dinner with my parents, wash up, change into clean clothes and go out to the edge of the wood. I screamed just as hard as anyone. I did my best to match whatever throaty note the rest of the procession was hitting. I looked out toward the setting sun with the same devotion the rest of them did. But sometimes, when I thought no one would notice, I would sneak a peek into the crowd. I hoped that maybe I would catch a glimpse of someone else, someone who was like me, someone who didn’t understand.
Every day I walked towards the woods with that silent hope in my mind, a hope that I would spot a spark of recognition in someone’s eyes. I looked at the Jozkovitcz boy, the same one who would work the fields in the same sweaty shirt all summer long but somehow had a new suit and tie for each day of worship, yet there was no sign of doubt in his devotion. The children, the same ones that would poke frogs crushed by uncaring horses all morning long, their youthful curiosity was gone, they were committed to the scream. Even my father, a man who seldom showed any emotion, screamed into the blackening sky with tears gathering in his dark eyes. I was alone. I was different. I just didn’t know the extent of it yet.
Thunder. A crackling bolt of electricity tore through the apple tree outside of my window. I bolted out of bed just in time to see the flames of the impact die out in the downpour. For a split second my bedroom was plunged back into darkness. I listened to the heavy rain beat against our tin roof.
My room lit up again. A flashlight. My father stood in the door, soaked, still wearing his rubber boots.
“Olga. She is giving birth.” His voice was weaker than usual.
“Something bad happen?” I asked.
“You should go check on her.” He lowered his flashlight and let me change out of my nightclothes. As I pulled on my pants the beam of his flashlight shook. What he saw in the barn made his hands unsteady.
My mother hugged me as I made my way out of the cottage. She was just as wet as my father. She had been witness to the same horror. “Don’t be sad,” she whispered, “Sometimes they’re born wrong and there’s nothing we can do about it.”
I put on my raincoat but it made no difference. The morning rain came down with a cruel sweeping force. Bolts of lightning exploded off in the woods and thunder shook the entire valley. But as I got closer to the barn, even through the powerful barks of the storm, I could hear a wailing. Olga was in pain.
Jet-black skin covered in scales. Where the calf’s ears should have been there were simply two bloated crests of swamp-green flesh. When I entered the barn the creature was halfway out of Olga. It hung lifelessly, it’s thin hooves bending against the straw filled ground but its eyes were open. Those milky orbs with floating crimson chunks will haunt my sleep until the end of time.
I quickly turned away from the monstrosity and moved to comfort my friend. Olga’s eyes big brown eyes darted around the barn with fear. Her jaw would spread wide and deliver wails so guttural I worried for her life. She didn’t understand what was happening. Neither did I. The cow didn’t calm until there was a sound of something wet rolling out onto the straw.
She licked it. I watched my only friend gently run her tongue across her lifeless, misshapen child. We sat there in the dim dusk, our mourning occasionally illuminated by flashes of lightning, but eventually the storm passed. The barn descended into complete silence. The only thing you could hear was the occasional rustling in the pigpens and the rhythmic sound of Olga’s tongue dragging across her dead child. I wept for her loss. If she could, she would have wept as well.
The calf’s body was cold to the touch. Its neck twisted against the floor in a fashion that made breathing impossible; I was sure there was no way that the thing could be alive. Yet as the sunlight started to pour in through the cracks of the barn – those milky eyes blinked.
Before I could even properly register the creature’s resurrection the calf was standing. It shuddered beneath its scaled skinny legs, the tufts of green flesh at its temples throbbed, the animal seemed to be in a horrid daze. It looked across the barn, its dirty, white eyes searching for something. Olga stared at the creature in fear, her tongue safely inside of her jaw. We both watched in horror as the frail creature made its way to the Eastern side of the barn and pressed itself up against the beams of sunlight that were flooding in.
The calf screamed. The guttural tone of the scream brought echoes of the sun worship that the village would partake in, but where the voices of the villagers boomed with thunder the cry of the calf whimpered. This wasn’t a scream of worship. This was a death rattle.
Foam started to gather at the edges of the creature’s mouth and soon enough its entire scaled maw was filled with white bubbles. Its wail started to wane, the singular tone dipped and rose and made the animal sound like a dying, organic siren. The scream whimpered down to a whisper, its knees started to buckle and finally the creature fell over to its side. The pops of the mucus filled bubbles from the creature’s mouth tore through the stillness of the barn.
“It’s dead.” My father was standing behind me, the heavy flashlight dormant in his hand. “Let Olga rest. I’ll burry the thing.”
I opened my mouth to protest, but before I could get a word out my father cut me off.
“Sometimes they’re born wrong and there’s nothing we can do about it.” His voice was cold. He wanted me out. A warm morning sun flooded the barn as he opened the doors. “Let Olga rest.”
The big brown orbs of sadness let me know that Olga needed to be alone. I gave my only friend space to mourn the death of her child.
My mother met me outside in the rain-drenched glass and gave me another hug. She offered me rare respite from my duties. She said I needed rest. What I saw was difficult to digest – I could go back to sleep and she would take care of feeding the animals. If I woke up with some energy then I could help her with making dinner. Sleep was the last thing on my mind but so was feeding chickens. Instead, I set out on a walk in the woods.
The shade of the thick tree line would always be my preferred means of escape from my thoughts. Whenever I would find myself thinking too hard about the mysterious screaming that my village would indulge in or what lingered beneath that sweaty shirt of the Jozkovitcz boy I would wander through to cool forest path and stomp on the twigs that would make their way beneath my feat. With each snap I could hear the thoughts that plagued me lose in their strength. Yet as I made my way through the forest, even after nearly an hour of wandering, the snaps of the twigs sounded like the pops of the calf’s foamy mouth.
My legs were tired. I sat down by a berry bush, tried to finger pick my feelings away but only ended up with a purple mouth. The milky eyes of Olga’s dead child were drilled into my memory. I could hear its wails echoing through my head. I stuffed my face with some more blueberries and then laid down on some moss. The birds chirped off in the distance and a gentle summer wind caressed my arms. Suddenly my exhaustion caught up with me.
“Whoa! Another person!” A plume of smoke manifested itself in front of my eyes. It smelled like a mixture of strawberries and milk. “Whoops, sorry, didn’t mean to blow that in your face.”
The silky strings of fog faded away to reveal a colorfully dressed man with a bright backpack. In his hand he had a strange pipe that flashed with blue light whenever he put it to his mouth. “Wanna hit? It’s strawberry cheesecake.” He said, and then broke out into a coughing fit.
“No, thank you.” I said.
“Your loss.” He took another puff, this time without coughing. The strange short pants and colorful t-shirt were odd but what truly puzzled me was his hat. Its brim was cut short and only shielded the man’s forehead. An imprint of a strange lizard with the word ‘Chill’ adorned the front of his hat. I was very confused.
“Man, it’s so nice out here without any e-mails or IMs, right? It’s like we’re living in a completely different world.” I had no idea what he was talking about.
His clothes and that weird pipe made me uncomfortable, but in the pit of my stomach something rustled. It wasn’t the blueberries. It was the same rush of warmth that washed through me when the Jozkovitcz boy talked to me. But this time there was no stench of sweat. This time there was strawberry cheesecake. I wanted to impress this strange man.
“Which lodge you staying at?” He asked.
“You wouldn’t have heard of it.” I replied with as much confidence as I could muster.
“Cool, cool,” he said, taking another puff of his pipe. “I’m chillin’ at the Goral Inn. Came out here for two weeks to just kinda get away from stuff, y’know? I’m a song writer. Well, I think of myself as more of a poet, but whatever, that’s just a label. Figured a bit of the forest would help me write some really earthy stuff, there’s not enough nature in modern life, y’know?”
I grasped onto the few words that I understood. “You make music?” I asked. My father sometimes played the accordion. He was not very good.
“I make art. I’d show you but-” He reached into his pocket and produced a small metal tablet. He looked at it and his eyes went wide. “Oh shit, there’s signal here!”
He waved the tablet around, occasionally reading something off its screen. He sat down on the moss next to me, looked at his tablet, tutted at it disapprovingly and rose up to stand in the exact same spot where he stood before. “There’s only signal here, but if you want to see a video of my band-“
“Yes!” I got up and stood next to him. There was a television on the tablet. I had never met someone who was on a television.
We watched a movie of his band performing. The music was very strange and every two seconds the musicians froze in place and stopped singing. The man kept apologizing and talking about the ‘bad signal’ but I didn’t mind. I was just getting lost in the smell of strawberry cheesecake and the gentle hint of oak that was coming off from his neck. I didn’t even notice the sky growing red.
“Do you hear that?” He asked. Tapping his finger on the tablet and silencing the band.
“Hear what?”
That.” A low, growing gurgle spread through the wood. The man nervously let loose another silky cloud.
“Oh, that’s just my village saying goodbye to the sun.” I said, “Hey, do people scream where you come from?”
“What?” He put his phone away, twigs crackled underneath his restless feet. The screams gained in tenor, the trees gently shook with the echo of the ritual. “What the hell are you talking about?”
“Saying goodbye to the sun, the people from my village do it every sunset. I don’t know why but-“
“That’s some scary culty shit, I am so out.” He backed away from me. The low rumble of the screaming drowned out the snapping of the twigs. “Uh, pleasure meeting ya. If ya wanna hear more of my music look up the Warriors of Perun on Spotify. Chuck us a like on Facebook too.”
He didn’t even wave goodbye. The louder the screaming got the faster he walked. By the time the berry bushes started swaying he was at a full sprint.
I was alone again. As darkness settled over the forest and the screams of my community started to die down, the questions that had driven me into the forest came back with tenfold force. What had gone wrong for Olga to give birth to the misshapen calf? Why was the man so scared of the low rumble of the screaming? Why was there screaming in the first place?
Outside of the confines of my village community there was another world. A world where nice-smelling men wore strange hats and puffed on magical pipes. A world where men who spoke a cryptic language buckled in fear at what I had grown accustomed to. I needed to understand.
I returned home to find my mother and father sitting in the dinner room. A fire burnt in the furnace that made the room flicker in a warm, orange light but their faces were inhospitable as a snowstorm. There was a cold plate of porridge on the table that reminded me how horribly hungry I was. When I reached for it, however, my father’s hand pushed it away.
“You did not attend the ceremony today.” His voice was hollow and his eyes did not meet mine. “Do not ever miss worship again.”
“Why?” I asked, “Why would I do something I do not understand? Why would I show up each evening to partake in a ritual that makes no sense to me?”
My mother whispered my name, begging me to stop, but a blistered hand hitting the table drowned out her gentle plea. The orange glow of the fire danced in my father’s eyes. For a blink he looked like Olga’s deformed child.
“Go to bed.” He hissed. “I pray that by the time the sun rises you will come to your senses. There are some questions that are simply not meant to be asked.”
I tried to find the will to argue back, to demand the knowledge that I deserved but before I could speak my mother whispered my name again. She was pleading with me. This was not the time nor place. I would not find answers in the flickering light of the dining room. I went to sleep without supper or goodbyes.
Olga’s heavy body shook and heaved as she gave birth to her scaly offspring, the village screamed at the setting sun, the sweet smell of strawberry cheesecake intertwined with the stench of sweat; as I lay in bed my mind filled with half-digested memories. I don’t know if sleep came but I know when it left.
Beams of morning light peeked in through my curtains. My mother was sitting at the edge of my bed with the plate of cold. She whispered my name.
“Please, child, eat your porridge and do not ask of the screaming. Please, if you hold your life dear please, stop asking.”
“But why? Why can’t I ask? Why can’t I know?”
“Because…” She sighed. Her eyes searched my face for a trace of doubt, for a sign that I would let go of my questions. She couldn’t find it. “Because sometimes children are born wrong and there’s nothing we can do about it.”
“Why does our village scream at the setting sun?”
“Please, we cannot protect you if you don’t follow the rules. Me and your father just want the best for you.”
“Why does our village scream at the setting sun?” I repeated my question.
My mother placed the bowl of porridge at my bedside. She tried to meet my eyes but she couldn’t. She lowered her face into her hands and began to weep.
“We did our best to hide you. We did our best to give you a good life but… You were born wrong. You were born wrong and we can no longer keep your secret.” She looked up. Two milky white orbs with droplets of floating scarlet stared back at me. “I am sorry child. We can no longer protect you. Your questions will bring doom to our kind.”
Her jaw dropped and let loose that horrid throaty scream. Any trace of that familiar motherly voice was gone; it was replaced with something foreign, something horribly dark. Her face rumpled as the tone of the scream grew, her whole body shook with effort and then, as if her skin were made out of strips of ham on poorly buttered bread, she started to shed. Beneath my mother’s pale skin there were jet-black scales.
I wanted to get away but she wouldn’t let me. When I tried to pull back she gripped my leg with her hand. The same hand that would caress my hair when I was young and feverish, the same hand that would tend to the wounds when displeased chickens took umbrage with my shins, the same hand that I would hold when I was learning how to walk – that same hand was now unrecognizable. As the skin shed off her fingers turned into long, sharp claws. She held me down and extended her other hand towards my face.
“I’m sorry, my child,” she said, punctuating her screams, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorry.” The claws that she extended to my eyes shone with the color of the setting sun. The glow was impossibly hot. My eyes started to water as those bright needles approached my face.
“I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorr-“
SMASH!
The bowl broke against her skull like an egg. The thickened porridge hit the floor and splattered into a mass of white chunks. I ran. Behind me my mother stopped apologizing, now she was just screaming – screaming and clutching at the dark green wound that was bubbling from the side of her head.
Shutting the front door of the cottage muffled her screams somewhat, but I soon realized she was not the only person releasing that throaty wail. The village green was bathed in a bright morning sun but out of the fields, out of the other cottages came dark figures with glowing fingers extended towards me. Their dark, scale covered bodies were alien to me but I knew they were my neighbors. I could recognize the screams. As the only community I had ever known descended into madness I ran to the only friend I had.
The barn doors barely made it through the thunderstorms, I had no illusions about them being able to hold off the screaming mob, yet I still shut them as tight as I could and hid in Olga’s enclosure. At first she seemed happy to see me but as the wailing outside grew closer her long ears flickered and her big brown eyes filled with fear. Through the cracks in the wood I could see glimmers of their fingers, like fireflies on a summer night. I hugged the cow as hard as I could. She rested her heavy head against my shoulders and pulled me in.
The door didn’t last. Within moments it was ripped off its hinges and the crowd of bright-clawed monstrosities was in the barn with me. They moved towards me, screaming, their pale eyes slowly fading behind the red glare that stemmed from their fingers.
“You were my only friend,” I whispered to Olga as I hugged her tight.
“Moo,” she replied.
I faced the burning heat of the crowd in front of me. I prepared to meet my end in a hail of screams and the hue of a setting sun but suddenly I felt wetness on the back of my neck. Olga’s mammoth tongue nuzzled the back of my head and pushed me to the side.
“MOOOOO!” Before I knew what was happening the glow of the creature’s claws was gone. The one-ton mass of muscle and horns charged at the crowd of villagers with a battle cry that drowned out their screaming. Green bubbling liquid spilled across the barn, the screams broke into choked gurgles as Olga crushed everyone I had grown up around beneath her hooves.
Yet she was outnumbered. Even with her gargantuan strength she was unable to shield herself from their hot claws. My friend had sacrificed herself for me. I would not let her die in vain. As the battle between the cow and the villagers raged on I slipped out of the barn and ran for my life.
There’s something to be said about Slovakian hospitality. When the people of Dolné Kravany found me stumbling through their fields tattered and hungry the only questions they asked was what size shoes I wear and how long it had been since I last ate. They accepted me as one of their own and did not inquire about my past.
It took me weeks to get adjusted to my new existence. There were so many things to get acquainted with; cars and soda and the Internet. These people lived in a world that was much bigger than the one I had inhabited before and the sudden knowledge of life being contained to more than just the dark woods and the setting sun was an intimidating piece of knowledge to digest. But Dolné Kravany had something I was well familiar with. Dolné Kravany had cows.
After I had recovered from the fragile daze that wandering through the forest for weeks without proper supplies brings, I took a job in the local dairy industry. The cows took well to me, and I am happy in my job, but the friendship I have struck with the animals is nothing compared to what I had with Olga.
I still think about her sacrifice, about how she was willing to give away her own life to help me escape. Yet there’s another part of my past which gnaws at me. Each evening, as the bright ball of fire descends behind the dark wood, I listen. Somewhere out there in the far-off valleys I can hear a low rumble of the village in which I had grown up. I still think about them, still wonder about the mind-boggling mystery of their identity and practices, but then I remind myself of a simple truth:
Some questions are simply not meant to be asked.
(Another perspective)
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2020.07.03 01:00 displacedindavis Controversial Olympic moments revisited: blowouts in team sports

Premise
Is it possible to score to a point where it becomes distasteful in a team sport?
The Olympics are littered with moments where one team just imposed their will on another for the entirety of the match. For example:
Because blowouts are a common theme among every Olympic sport across the years, it makes sense to cover the nature of this topic in general. Reactions have been varied depending on the context, but these games stir up as much controversy as they are sensational at times.
Controversy
There seem to be two camps in this regard, and suffice to say they have very differing viewpoints.
This topic doesn't just encompass the Olympics. For example, the US women's football team was accused of showboating in their 13-0 win over Thailand at the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup, following Germany's controversial 10-0 win over Cote d'Ivoire in 2015.
That being said, the Olympics are, for many team sports, arguably the most prestigious tournament on an international level, if not one of the most prestigious. So at the Games, these sports receive a major international following and thus, such issues tend to be under a huge spotlight.
Blowouts taken to the extreme are funny to look at but strike a very sensitive nerve in some people's minds and hearts. The main reason is that to such people, these games are the very antithesis of what it means to show good sportsmanship. For example, was it really necessary for Germany to keep scoring in the second half against Fiji? Was it really a good thing that the United States kept pumping in points against Nigeria? You can read several articles online that denounce both of these national teams for putting on an unnecessary exhibition in games they were already expected to win. It's almost the equivalent of beating a dead horse at that point.
While such blowouts are common on a domestic level (e.g. club competitions in football), to a few people, blowouts on the Olympic stage should be taken with a much more sensitive mindset. Such losses might feel good for the winning team but potentially hurt the national pride of the losing team, and it becomes even worse when the players still celebrate despite being up several points/goals/etc. The argument is that being a good sport involves recognizing when to take one's foot off the gas pedal and simply call it a day, knowing that the game has pretty much already been decided and that the other team has thrown in the towel.
On the other hand, countering arguments have been made.
For one, the nature of Olympic tournaments. Because of how the group stage works, many teams take the mentality of scoring to leave absolutely no room for failure down the road should a tiebreak be needed.
Another is the nature of the game. At an international level, there are often vast differences in skill level. The fact that you can have a football game end up 10-0, a basketball game end up 156-78, an ice hockey game end up 82-0, and a water polo game end up 64-0 (not at the Olympics, but still) might simply be a testament to this difference in skill level.
A final argument is that it's not just the team, but also the players themselves. The players are hoping to impress as much as they are trying to contribute to the team, and scoring a lot of goals/points/etc. is one way in which they can do that.
My take
I can't satisfy everyone with my viewpoint here, but I have to agree with the camp that feels it's best to view such blowouts as simply part of the nature of the Olympic competition.
I think it's totally possible for a team to play for a lopsided score and still maintain good sportsmanship. In fact, in the vast majority of cases, I think that's what really happened. When you watch replays of matches such as the Slovakia-Bulgaria hockey game or the United States-Nigeria basketball game, it's not so much the winning team showboating, more of the other team just playing on such an inferior level. What are you supposed to do if the other team keeps turning over the ball or the puck? Intentionally turn the ball/puck back over, purposely miss shots, or start putting the ball/puck in your own basket/net? Are you supposed to feel bad if the opposing goalie simply can't stop anything, even the absolute softies you throw at the net?
There's a difference between playing more passively and stooping down to another team's level of play. The latter, I feel, is everything Olympic competition is not about. In the Olympics, you're supposed to give your best effort. And sometimes, there's such a huge chasm between the levels of play of different teams.
While the nature of celebrations can be a bit of a touchy subject, I have to agree with the reasoning that these players aren't out there to put down the other team. Of course, the counterargument is that it still does regardless of intention, but on the other hand, I think it's fine to let players be human and be happy. Scoring goals/points feels good. Scoring a lot of them feels better. And in blowout matches, historic stat lines for certain players tend to happen a lot, so I don't fault them for taking some pride in doing so. Even against a bad team, it still takes a lot of effort to accomplish that.
I really think it's a bad idea to stubbornly hold onto an unwritten rule that "at X point, you have to stop trying so hard to respect the other team". I mean, are we supposed to tell athletes like Usain Bolt to "stop winning by X seconds" in the 100m/200m? Or Katie Ledecky to "stop winning by X body lengths" in the 800m freestyle? Yes, there's a difference between individual and team sports, but I don't think we should hold double standards either. Performances such as a 10-goal win are meant to be achievements.
On a side note, some people have argued for the mercy rule to be used extensively across international sporting events such as the Olympics to prevent such scorelines from happening. While it does exist in some competitions, I don't think it's a great solution. It's basically a subtle way of enforcing the aforementioned unwritten rule that you must stop trying at X point. And as you know, I'm very much against that one.
I don't see a need to stop a team from trying to do something amazing, even if it means scoring a helluva lot.
Conclusion
This topic has been one I've tried to cover before but just couldn't find the right way to. I suppose you could blame indecisiveness on that.
I felt that I was very much for the side I had taken, but I also had a tendency of not wanting to upset people. Call it my personal weakness, if you may. This post was sort of me officially taking my stand regardless of who I may have disagreements with.
The Olympics are supposed to showcase the greatness of athletes and teams. Heck, that's why we tune into them in the first place; to watch the best of the world come together. Part of the glamor of the Games is watching athletes and teams achieve the unthinkable. For teams, that might be a new high score.
These achievements are ones that people should look back at with amazement, not resentment. As a result, this is a case where I personally feel some people need to stop being so sensitive.
What do you think?
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2020.06.22 14:33 HippoBigga Kubala, the path to glory of Barcelona's most loved legend: A story of overcoming, adventures, crazy nights, majestic matches and of a good man who made everybody around him happy.

Nothing in Kubala's life was normal. Now that TV series about sportsmen are fashionable, the one that could be made about the adventures of Ladislao Kubala Stecz (Budapest, 1927) would raze through many seasons. In one season we could go deeper into his facet of legendary footballer, capable of changing the way of playing this sport, how he saved his life at the very last moment by not getting on the Torino plane that crashed in Superga, or how he was ten minutes away from signing for Real Madrid or enrolling in the Pirate League of Colombia, all of this in order to end being Barcelona's biggest icon... who ended playing for Espanyol.
We could add a season of adventures due to his incredible escape from communist Hungary. His journey through Italy with a football team, the Hungaria, of stateless people in which in addition to Hungarians also played Croats, Albanians, Romanians and Serbs who were looking for a life as good as they could get. One could also add to this the facet of the social phenomenon that dazzled a country during the dark years of Franco's regime by becoming a pop star, and end up with another season about the legends, real, invented or simply exaggerated, of his adventures in Barcelona's nightclubs.
Everything about Kubala is like a movie.

The legend of the escape.

Born in Budapest to a Hungarian man and a Slovakian woman, he always considered himself as both Hungarian and Slovakian, even when this republic was part of the now extinct Czechoslovakia. By the age of 20, Kubala was a football star known for his performances with Slovan Bratislava and Vasas Budapest. In fact, he had already been capped by Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Later, he would go on to play for Spain, and is still the only player to have been capped by three countries. But fed up with the system that was preventing him from developing his professional football career, he embarked on an escape proper of a movie to the West. He contacted a human trafficking organisation, a mafia that, in exchange for a large amount of money, facilitated a partial escape. As is now the case with criminals who gamble with the lives of people who want to cross the Mediterranean from Africa to Europe or pass to the United States through the southern border, the smugglers did not secure anything. The last part of the journey depended on the luck and expertise of the escapees and often ended tragically.
"I remember that when I escaped from Hungary I was just a kid. The traffickers left us in the middle of a mountain to do the last stretch on foot. We were a large group. The adults gathered the children and gave us palinka. A liquor similar to brandy to get us drunk and fall asleep. A child's cry could alert the border guards patrolling the mountain. And they had orders to shoot to kill. The group split in two. My group was lucky and we were able to win the Austrian border. Once we were safe, we learned that the other group that had travelled with us and took another road was discovered and killed." The chilling story is that of Zoltan Czibor, the son of the former Barça player who tells how he had to flee Hungary with his family to join his father in Italy. The odyssey of Kubala, six years earlier, was mirrored.
The traffickers disguised Kubala as a Russian soldier and put him in a truck that would leave the escapees at an undetermined point in the mountains so that they could cross the border into Austria on their own. Kubala remembered that this journey scared him to death because unlike his comrades, he was a national celebrity and any soldier who checked the military truck would recognize him. He was endangering his life and the lives of those who accompanied him.
When they were left in the mountain on January 27, 1949, Kubala walked, and crossing a river helped by a tire that carried him, managed to reach Innsbuck, Austria, without any documentation. He was a stateless man starting from scratch.
In Austria he managed to sign with Pro Patria, a team from Milan, but he could only play friendly matches. His escape provoked the anger of the Hungarian regime, which denounced him and blocked his registration. Kubala had married Anna Daucik two years earlier, sister of Fernando Daucik, a veteran player of the era who would later become a famous coach. When Kubala fled, he left behind his family, whom he was unable to reunite with until six months later, when Anna was able to cross the border and meet Ladislao in Udine. He arrived with one more member of the family. A baby, her firstborn, whom Kubala did not yet know.
While he is irregularly enrolled in the Pro Patria, he gets the chance to sign with Torino, Italy's dominant team at the time. He is offered a trial match. Nothing better than a friendly match that Il Grande Torino had in Lisbon as a tribute to Xico Ferreira. However, when the Turin team's plane is about to take off, the president of Torino prevents Kubala from boarding because he fears a federal sanction. On the return flight, on 4 May 1949, the Fiat G 212 of Avio Linee Italiana crashed into the retaining wall of the Basilica of Superga due to the wind, poor visibility and an error in the altimeter of the aircraft. At 180 kilometres per hour and with a visibility of 40 metres, the pilot saw the stone wall of the basilica too late when he thought the plane was at 2,000 metres and was actually at 690 metres above sea level. The 31 people who were travelling in that aircraft died. Kubala had saved his life again.

The legend of Hungaria.

With no possibility of playing in Italy because the back then very powerful Italian Communist Party was pressing to prevent people fleeing from countries in the orbit of the USSR from taking refuge in Italy, Kubala had no choice but to form a team of stateless people who hired their services throughout Europe to play friendly matches against whoever hired them.
The team was called Hungaria, was managed by his brother-in-law Fernando Daucik and was mainly made up of Hungarians, although there were also players of other nationalities. It was made up of: Kis, Marik, Torok, Mogoy, Lami, Rákosi, Hrotko, Majteny, Nagy, Kubala, Otto, Licker, Turbeky, Monsider (Croatian), De Lorenzi (Albanian), Szegedi (Romanian) and Arangelovic (Serbian).
They played their first match against Italy's B team, but again pressure from the PCI forced them to play outside Italy. And that is how they arrived in Spain, hired by Santiago Bernabéu. On June 5, 1950, they faced Real Madrid in Chamartin, losing 4-2, but with a stellar performance by Kubala, who scored both of his team's goals. Three days later, they beat the Spanish team that was preparing for the World Cup in Brazil, where they came in fourth, 1-2 again with a great performance by Kubala, who received an offer from Real Madrid to be signed.
Kubala requires that to join the team, Madrid must also hire Daucik as a coach, something that Bernabéu does not agree to. The Madrid coach at that time was the Briton Keeping, a great connoisseur of WM tactics. Daucik is offered to train the Plus Ultra, a Madrid branch that plays in the third division. That negative and the federative problems that drags Kubala cause that Madrid becomes disinterested in his transfer, that was already agreed lacking of some fringes that turned out to be determinant.
The Hungaria moves two days later to Barcelona, where on June 10 plays against Espanyol losing 6-4 in a match with Pepe Samitier, the technical secretary of Barça, in the stands. It is necessary to emphasize that Hungaria had been playing three matches in five days with a very short team and without being able to make substitutions. Even so, Kubala amazes and Samitier does not mess around. Six days after that match, on 16 June 1950, at half past six in the evening, Kubala signed his three-year contract with Barça at the Pasaje Méndez Vigo. Obviously, with Fernando Daucik as coach. President Montal, Sr., signed him as an "amateur player" in order to avoid any trouble for the federation.
Real Madrid rages and is shocked. Pablo Hernández, general secretary of the white entity and Santiago Bernabéu's right hand, assures that Barça had broken a non-aggression pact between both teams and had hired a player with whom they were in talks. Samitier, who was unbeatable in the media, declares that he had been following Kubala for months and that the pact had not been broken because it referred only to players who played in Spanish teams. And Hungaria was not Spanish. In fact, it wasn't from anywhere.
But Kubala's problems didn't end there. He still didn't have a registration card or an international certificate. Vasas in Budapest and the Hungarian Federation had reported him to FIFA. Barça used the weak argument that since professionalism had been abolished in Hungary, any amateur player could choose his destiny. But the fight was not going to be so easy.
Barça, it is fair to say, had the total support of the regime and the Federation to carry out the transfer. At the level of anti-communist propaganda, Kubala was perfect. A young and extraordinary sportsman who fled from the red hell to take refuge in Franco's Spain was a candy too sweet to let go. Muñoz Calero, president of the Federation, rowed in favor of Barça as did Ricardo Cabot, secretary of the organization, who, in addition to his affection for the regime, was a well-known Barcelona supporter.
But the procedures were very slow and Kubala could only play friendly matches. He made his debut against Osasuna on 12 October, scoring two goals on the day the Barça fans knew instantly that they had just signed a star. Then he played against Zaragoza, Frankfurt twice, Girona and the Badalona. In six friendlies he scored 11 goals. The fans and the player himself were eager to meet in an official match. For all this, the Federation to play the role with FIFA fined Barça every time he lined up Kubala with the symbolic figure of 50 pesetas.
It is at this time that Kubala is about to leave everything and go away from Barça. He needed the money and wanted to play at the highest level and in Colombia he was offered the chance to do so. The South American country had organised the so-called Pirate League outside FIFA and many of the world's biggest stars joined, including Alfredo Di Stefano who went to Millonarios in Bogota. Kubala had a tempting offer from Atletico Bucaramanga. With the option of Kubala leaving, events accelerated. To begin with, Barça fixed his financial situation by means of a peculiar amateur contract in which they paid him 1,200 pesetas for "compensation" and 3,800 for "encouragement and overfeeding".
On April 2, 1951, he was granted the status of political refugee as a stateless person, which was a step towards granting him Spanish nationality. But for this step, Kubala first had to be converted to Catholicism through the sacrament of baptism. Every Spaniard had to be a Catholic. Kubala was baptized in Aguilas, Murcia, the birthplace of Muñoz Calero, president of the Federation. It is then when Barça, to avoid problems, settles its differences economically with Vasas, which despite being against capitalism accepts a payment of 300,000 pesetas to provide the transfer, while the Pro Patria, which also complained, is satisfied with 12 million lire.
The Kubala era could now really commence.

The legend on the field.

Kubala made his official debut with Barcelona in Sevilla in a cup match. The Sevillistas at that time were one of the best teams. Sevilla and Barça had developed in that period a great rivalry in the high places of the table. In 1946 Sevilla had stolen the possibility of winning the championship from Barça by drawing in Les Corts on the last day, in 1948 Barça beat the Sevillians in the final of the Eva Perón Cup (which would be the current Supercup) and in that campaign a Barça without Kubala had lost all its options to win La Liga after losing 4-0 in Nervión three days before the end of the season.
The Cup, by that time was played once the regular season was over and in those circumstances the official debut of Kubala took place. On April 29th in Nervion, Barça arrived to play against Sevilla in the middle of a difficult atmosphere. The Andalusians had lost the league in a dramatic outcome when they drew at home in the last match against Atletico Madrid with a refereeing performance that the locals judged scandalous. For further concern, the Federation allowed Kubala to line up with Barça in the first round of the Cup, which in Sevilla was taken as a surprise.
With the stadium full to the flag, Barcelona defeated Sevilla in an exhibition of Kubala. He wasn't just the best of the match but he showed Spain a way of playing football unthinkable until that time: chest controls, shots with curve, millimetric changes of play of 40 meters, protection of the ball with his back, use of the body in the shot and touches with the heel.
Domenech, Sevilla's attacker who was the direct protagonist of that match, explained years later how he remembered that day.
"It was something never seen before. Ramallets kicked it and he would receive her with his chest, or with either of his legs. If you tackled him he would dribble you in a brick. He'd put the ball where he wanted her. Besides, from time to time he changed with César, he'd be a center forward and César would be a midfielder. They drove us crazy. The anger of the people became clamours. We were witnessing something extraordinary. It was like going from black and white cinema to colour," explained the former Sevilla player. The Sevilla crowd, who had welcomed Barça and its new superstar with anger, ended up giving Kubala a standing ovation for every action as if they were watching a glorious bullfighting performance.
Kubala's actions on the field change football forever. Since there was no television, his exploits are reported orally. There is no other way to see it than to go to the field of Les Corts, which is packed for every game Barça plays as a local. It is a very common argument to say that Kubala forced Barça to build the Camp Nou because the old Les Corts was not enough to accommodate all the people who wanted to admire him. Maybe he had an influence, but as the journalist Frederic Porta, author of an interesting biography of Kubala (Kubala, l'heroi que va canviar la història del Barça. Ed. Saldonar) explains, "the truth is that Barça had already bought the land to build the Camp Nou two years before and the idea of making a bigger field already existed, but Kubala advanced everything and justified the change".
Blessed with brutal technique, a sensational strike of the ball and an unusual physical strength, Kubala changed football. He would throw free-kicks over the wall with curve or by making the ball bounce in front of the goalkeeper, he would take penalties (he was practically infallible) with what was later called paradinha and was credited with the Brazilians although he was the first in Europe to do so. Physically he was a bull. In his youth he had practiced boxing and if he didn't become a recognized fighter with a great career it was because he had short arms. His lower body was sensational. He had a butt and legs that allowed him to protect the ball like no one else. Frederic Porta says that "in his time of splendour they measured his thighs and each one had a circumference of 69 centimetres, which would be the waist of one of his companions". He was also capable of running the 100 metres in less than 11 seconds. A total athlete with a very refined technique.
However, that physical strength and the confidence he had in her, for he never avoided a collision, were his downfall. Kubala became the target of a hunt by rival defenders. He never went into hiding and that's why in eleven years at Barcelona he suffered up to eleven injuries of some seriousness. With matches without television, the harshness that bordered on violence was the order of the day. He was being kicked to death.
But Barça was living its most golden period to date. Moreover, the club revolved around Kubala. Frederic Porta compares it with the present time: "Now they say that Messi commands the club and surely he commands, but nothing to do with the influence that Kubala had. Kubala was the boss and even the one who decided the transfers. And no one was surprised. That Barça adopted the socks with the horizontal stripes blaugrana is his imposition. He saw them on the rugby team, liked them and incorporated them into the football team by decree. In fact, it is he who insists on signing Luis Suarez when he impresses him in a match against Deportivo. Kubala was Suarez's first fan, but what happened in the stands, which was divided between Suaristas and Kubalistas, is another matter.
Suarez was eight years younger than Kubala. He arrived at Barcelona at the age of 19, Kubala was 27 and his physique was very punished by his injuries and the life he was living, as he did not deprive himself of anything. If he held out, it was because of privileged genetics.
Therefore, there never was a real competition between them, but there was a lot of influence here from the figure of Helenio Herrera, the Barça manager, who saw Kubala as older and slower and was looking forward to a quick change by the young Galician as the leader of the team. The debate reached the stands and the media. It was an absurd debate, because they didn't play in the same position, with whom Kubala really had a certain rivalry with Eulogio Martínez, who was the one with whom he alternated the position.
Kubala's physical problems were not only due to injuries. He had the whole of Spain in suspense when he suffered a tuberculosis that could have cost him his life. There are apocryphal versions that explain that this tuberculosis was actually a stab wound he suffered in a fight in a cheap pub in the fifth district (Barcelona's Chinatown) and he has to retire to Montseny to recover. Nobody is betting on his return to the pitch if he survives a "hole in the lung the size of a silver bullet" according to the chronicles of the time. But once again, Kubala's ability to survive prevails. He returns to the pitches, but already heavily punished and slowed down.
It is against this backdrop that the 1961 European Cup final arrives, with Kubala arriving at the age of 34 with a herniated disc that barely allows him to walk, but he wants to play. He knows that the club is going through a critical situation despite having reached the final of the maximum trophy for the first time: the club is bankrupt because of the construction of the Camp Nou, the fights in the board of directors are chaotic, Luis Suarez has signed for Inter (the one in Bern will be his last game with Barça), which was where Helenio Herrera had left the team in the hands of Enrique Orizaola.
Kubala tells Orizaola to line him up, that like all the Portuguese will go for him and he can barely move because of the back pain and will play with painkillers, it will give more opportunities to his teammates. But the match is a pile of misfortunes for Barcelona. Ramallets scores an own goal, Barça shoots three times to the damn square posts of the goals (from then on they would change their shape) even Kubala kicked a ball that hit a post, went through the goal line until it hit the other post and came out repelled. Barça lost and Kubala's time at Barcelona came to an end.

The man of the year.

Kubala's significance goes beyond the playing field. According to a vote made for Radio Barcelona by journalist Joaquín Soler Serrano in the mid-50s, the Catalans most loved by their fellow citizens were Doctor Barraquer and Ladislao Kubala.
"He was literally the most famous person in the city, people really venerated him, and even Messi's influence cannot be compared to that of Kubala in those years," explains Porta.
His life off the field was notorious. An unrepentant night owl, it was common to see him in Barcelona's fashionable coffee shops and nightclubs. He was a man who stood out. Alfredo Relaño defines him in some of his articles as "a demigod. Tall, strong, blond with blue eyes and an overflowing personality. He aroused the admiration of men and women alike. An idol". Frederic Porta sums it up with the argument that "he would be the sum of Messi and Beckham and on top of that, he would go out every night".
Faced with Kubala's disorganised life, the Barcelona management decided to set up a private detective agency to follow him at night. The reports of the detectives are still in the Centre de Documentació del FC Barcelona and Frederic Porta published them in the history magazine 'Sàpiens'. In them, he gives a detailed account of the nocturnal wanderings of "Mr. K.", the code name of the Blaugrana star in an exercise in absurd discretion. There is also a letter from a Sabadell businessman in the club's archives, expressing concern that Kubala and Czibor had been "found in a Sabadell establishment after 2.30 in the morning accompanied by some of those ladies who were once gentlemen, I don't know if you understand". What the businessman doesn't explain in the letter is what he was doing in the same place.
Kubala's fondness for drinking was no secret. Helenio Herrera explains in a television interview that "one day at an airport in customs they asked Kubala if he had anything to declare and he said two bottles of whisky. The official asked him to show them to him and he, laughing, touched his belly and said: 'X-ray, I have them inside'. On another occasion, in the same situation, but carrying the bottle in the bag, he was told to leave it at the airport because no alcoholic drinks were allowed to be taken on board. Neither shy nor lazy, he drank it in front of the astonished official.
The legends about the occasions when the night was made longer and he did not arrive at training sessions or matches were recurrent. In that case, he called on the services of Angel Mur Sr., the team masseur who knew where to find him. He would start a pilgrimage through the usual places or floors until he found him, took him to the changing room, gave him a cold shower, a coffee with salt, a massage and played. The fans forgave him everything and were aware that their star was a man of joyful life. But he never failed on the field. Among the crowd at the time there were comments about the Kubala ritual in those games that followed a busy night. "He started off badly, and vaguely, but the signal was when, ten minutes into the game, he rolled up his sleeves as if to say 'I'm here, let's start, I've already cleared off', and the machine started to work.
You can't find anyone in the world who speaks ill of Kubala. Absolutely no one. Everyone highlights his huge heart and that despite being by far the highest paid player of the time (he earned six times more than his teammates) he didn't have a no for anyone. His detachment from money was legendary.
As proof, the anecdote explained by his biographer Porta: "one day he arrived at the dressing room and commented that his car had been stolen and that in the glove compartment he was carrying an envelope with 200,000 pesetas, which was a fortune for the time (a good apartment could cost 130,000 pesetas). When his colleagues tried to encourage him, he simply said: someone who needs it more than I do must have taken it".
It was also usual for him to take off his coat and give it to a poor man who begged in Barcelona's winter, or to take in any Hungarian who came to Barcelona asking for help in his house in Carrer Duquesa d'Orleans. Kubala, remembering his times as a stateless refugee without papers, asked nothing. He would take them home and pay them a boat ticket to America. The motto among the refugees fleeing the Iron Curtain was that "if you get to Barcelona, look for Kubala, he will help you". He never failed.
Later, now retired, he set up a bar next to Czibor in Capitan Arenas Street, the mythical Kep Duna (blue Danube in Hungarian) that became an unofficial refugee reception centre that was monitored by the secret services of the United States, the USSR and the Spanish police. Something like the Rick's Café in the film Casablanca, but in the upper area of Barcelona.
He was the great character of Barcelona loved by all, but there was a moment when this was almost broken, strange as it may seem. It coincided with the defeat in Bern, when a part of the press came to write that "Barça must be de-Kubalized as the Soviet Union must be de-Stalinized" and, especially, when he signed for Espanyol. The earthquake was a huge one.

From the bench to Sarrià.

After the defeat in Bern's final, Kubala announced his retirement from the fields. He had taken the coaching course and was ranked number one in his class. He made a pact with the president Llaudet, who was also an interesting character as we will see, that in principle he would take charge of the footballers' school of the club and that in a couple of years he would be in charge of the first team.
Meanwhile, Barcelona is directed by Lluís Miró who faces a team in disarray. Suarez has been transferred to Inter in the worst decision in the club's history and myths such as Ramallets, Tejada and Czibor were in the decline of their careers. The season starts badly and after losing at Mestalla to Valencia by a humiliating 6-2 that forces the resignation of Miro. It was time for Kubala, who was promoted to the first team in front of the joy of the fans. And the project results from the beginning. The Barça of the second part of season 61-62 recovers in La Liga and finishes second (the distance with the white ones when Kubala arrived was almost insurmountable) and avenges the 6-2 of Mestalla beating Valencia in the Camp Nou 4-0.
Facing the next season, the 62-63, Kubala can make his team by giving painful drops of some of his former teammates as it is the case of Eulogio Martinez or Evaristo. One of Llaudet's reluctances to give Kubala the job of coach was that he would have to manage some of his former teammates.
The positive expectations about Kubala's first full project were frustrated at first when the Blaugrana team had to play the final of the Copa de Ferias against Valencia, the team that caused the fall of Miró and the promotion of Kubala. And the history, by rare that it seems, repeats: Valencia returns to him to put 6-2 to the Barça. The fans explode against the team. In the return match, obviously, there is nothing to do, but Llaudet's ability to self-flagellation has no limits. As Alfredo Relaño writes, the Blaugrana president calls a dinner with the press the day before the game and makes this statement that if it happened today would open all the news.
Llaudet, in front of the press and accompanied by the coach Kubala and Gràcia as captain, asks the fans to forgive him and announces changes in the protocol of the start of the second leg. "Valencia will go out first to receive the applause, then Barcelona, to receive the whistles. Then Kubala will come out, so he can get the thunders. And finally me, so that all the whistles fall on my person, because I am the barcelonist who loves the club the most and who is destined to die on the pitch, if necessary...". He ends his speech crying. As we can see, Gaspart didn't invent anything.
The match ended in a draw and Kubala's project as Barça's coach was doomed. The manager is fired in the middle of the season and then a bomb explodes in Barcelona. Kubala accepts the offer to return to the pitch, but not as a coach, will be as a player and nothing more and nothing less than in Espanyol, Barça's eternal rival.
On 3 September 1963 Espanyol, then Español, announced that Kubala would be hired as a player. At 36 years of age, he was capable of being competitive.
His decision divides the public opinion. On the one hand, Federico Gallo and Juan José Castillo support his decision, on the other hand, Carlos Pardo or Ibáñez Escofet shoot at him. They call him a "Jew who sells himself for a plate of beans", a "traitor" and they see political interests in his decision.
Kubala explains that he wanted to continue playing and that he saw himself capable of doing so, although he accepted that he was not at Barcelona's level. He had received offers from important clubs, including River Plate and Juventus, but he doesn't want to leave Barcelona, where he feels like another Barcelonian. The Espanyol meets his expectations.
His start of the season is not bad, on the contrary, he scores in his first two games, but the team doesn't work out. The coexistence between the veteran newcomer Kubala and the team's symbol, Argilés, is not easy. Scopelli is dismissed as coach and de facto command of the team is given to the two team leaders despite their differences. The crisis erupts when the Spaniard visits the Camp Nou. The periquitos lose by 5-0 in a match in which the Barcelona crowd booed Kubala who they are eager to humiliate with his new team. Even so, at the end of the match, Kubala has a gesture to his former team that shows that he does not hold any grudge against what he has heard from the stands. At the end of the match, he organizes his teammates to make the corridor to Barça applauding the rival in recognition of the exhibition made. That gesture feels bad among the Espanyol fans and among some of his teammates. Argilés does not make the corridor and goes straight to the changing rooms.
The following year, Kubala becomes a manager-player and among the departures that he causes, there is the one of Argilés, but by contrast, Di Stéfano arrives, also hurt by his bad exit from Madrid fighting against Bernabéu.
Di Stefano and Kubala are like brothers. Even though they haven't officially played together, they have a special chemistry. A friendship that is forged when the Argentinian is about to sign for Barcelona.
When Di Stéfano arrives in Barcelona to sign for Español, he stays first at the Avenida Palace Hotel, but after a month he is living in Kubala's house as one of the family. The children of both always maintained a relationship as if they were brothers.
One of the players under Kubala's command was Jose Maria Rodilla, one of the players who would soon form the famous 'Dolphins' forward line. At 80 years of age, Rodilla remembers Kubala.
"I have a wonderful memory of Kubala, I always had a special affection for him. Not in vain, he was the one who signed me for Espanyol", he remembers when answering the call of this newspaper to which he confesses that* "normally I do not make declarations, but to speak about Kubala I do whatever is needed"*.
Rodilla, former teammate at Espanyol, has clear that "he was the best player in the world in terms of technique. Di Stéfano was the best footballer, but he didn't have his technique. Alfredo was more intense and more player of the whole field, but he could not do things that Kubala did"
Those who had the privilege of playing with both of them remember that "for example, Di Stefano wouldn't leave you alone for a minute, he was all over you and the fights were intense, but he always set an example, he never asked you for anything that he didn't do. Kubala was more paternalistic and tolerant. For example, he would ask us to do as he did in training, and while sitting down he would be able to make 3,000 touches on the ball without dropping it. Only he could do that."
Rodilla adds a story that explains Kubala's quality as a player-coach at the age of 38: "We went to play a friendly at Amposta and they called a foul on the edge of the box. Kubala takes the ball and whacks it into the corner. The referee made him repeat it because someone had moved or I don't know what. Kubala takes the ball and wham, back to the square. And the referee tells him that he has to repeat. That day Kubala got angry and left the field."
Rodilla recalls that Kubala's move from Barça to Espanyol created controversy in the city, but that he was oblivious to it. "He was still a magnificent person, I never heard him say a bad word against anyone. He never got into an argument, he was goodness personified, he was unlucky in his time as a coach, but as a coach he is one of the best I've ever had, with a great love for young players and always trying to help you improve."

Boys well, optimal morale.

He extended his playing career for a couple more years by playing for Zurich and even trying out the American adventure at the Toronto Falcons, where he coincides with Branko and Daucik's son. At the age of 40 he played 19 games and scored 5 goals.
In 1968 he returned to Spain and trained the Córdoba team for a short period of time until he was called up to the national team. Kubala will manage the Spanish team until 1980, when he signs for Barcelona again as a coach.
Kubala's debut with Spain was, once again, a propaganda match for the regime. It was played in the Estadio de la Línea de la Concepción against Finland and Spain beat their rivals 6-0 in a match that was no longer useful. Spain had missed out on qualifying for the Mexico '70 World Cup, but the idea of that game was to showcase a great field that could be seen from Gibraltar as if to give jealousy to those in the Rock for the sports culture of Spain. Dictatorship things.
It's true that at that time Spain was struggling more than anything else on the international scene. It did not qualify for the 1974 World Cup because of Katalinski's goal in the play-off match in Frankfurt, and in both the 1978 World Cup and the 1980 European Championship the team fell in the first round, but there is still no one from that era who will make a judgement against Kubala.
"Kubala, one ahead of his time. No doubt he had a lot to do with his past as a footballer. And not just like any other player, like the best! I remember him always saying to me: 'Ruben, you have to get out of the way on the other side of the ball. Look for the space, not the ball. The goal I scored in Yugoslavia has to do with everything he taught me," he told Fermin de la Calle in an interview with AS Ruben Cano, the hero of the famous 'Battle of Belgrade' in the match that took Spain to the World Cup in Argentina. Yes, the one with the goal by Cardeñosa that could have changed Kubala's record with the national team.
He did a lot to improve Spanish football and his idea regarding the incorporation of foreigners to improve the level of Spanish football was key in the future development of the Spanish competitive level.
His players remember him as a didactic person, tactically bold and very close. At a time when fury was the hallmark of the game, Kubala never forgot that he was the heir to the Magyar tradition of the Honved and the Hungary who, by moving the ball, shocked the world the day they destroyed England at Wembley 3-6.
For the average football fan, Kubala may have been a half-hearted coach who embodied an era of the national team in which nothing was won, as has been the case most of the time, and he became popular for his expressions that would now be meme material on social networks. The national team was known as the 'Kubala boys' and the coach's catchphrase before the matches saying "boys well, optimal morale" was the fashionable phrase in the coffee shops of the 70s in Spain.
But among his colleagues, Kubala still deserved reverential respect. "The first goal was authentically Latin, cunningly scored and perfectly studied. I can only congratulate Kubala on his previous tactical work," said German boss Helmut Schön after facing and losing to Spain in a friendly in which the recent world semi-finalist and next world champion fell to the Kubala boys at the Sanchez Pizjuan with two strategic goals from Arieta. Yes, Arieta against Müller. Seeler, Beckembauer, Maier, Netzer and company.
He left the national team in 1980 to join Barça as the coach of Núñez's second project in an operation that was the prelude to what would happen in the World Cup in Russia with Lopetegui. Kubala committed to Barça while he was coach and tried to alternate functions, but Porta refused. Finally, on 8 June 1980, four days before the start of the European Championship, Kubala signed for the Blaugrana team, which he would join after the European Championship.
His second spell at the head of Barça did not go well either and he was dismissed mid-season. He continued his adventure on the bench as coach of Saudi Arabia (in that he was also a pioneer), training Malaga and the Paraguayan national team before retiring from football on the bench of Elche.
He spent his final years in Barcelona as active as ever. Playing with Barça veterans, helping his teammates, not having a no for anyone and playing tennis every day or going for a run or cycling routes exhibiting an enviable physical condition.
Until the light of genius and the glory faded away 18 years ago. A degenerative brain disease put an end to the adventure, but not to the legend of a world football myth. An icon that changed the lives of so many people that they wouldn't fit even in a stadium.
The coffin with the mortal remains of Kubala was carried on shoulders, amidst the applause of the fans who gathered at the doors of the church of Santa Tecla, by Alfredo Di Stéfano, Gustau Biosca, Eduardo Manchón, Estanislao Basora, Joan Segarra, Josep Bartomeu, Luis Suárez, Antoni Ramallets and Gonzalvo III.
He rests in the cemetery of Les Corts, next to the Camp Nou because that is what he left written in his will, while Serrat sang to him about how...
...Pelé was Pelé and Maradona was the one and that's it. Di Stéfano was a pit of mischief. Honour and glory to those who made the sun shine on our football. Everyone has his merits; to each his own, but for me none is like Kubala. Respectable silence is requested, for those who haven't enjoyed him, I'll say four things: he stops it with his head, he drops it on with his chest, he sleeps it off with his left, crosses the pitch with the ball attached to the boot, leaves the midfield and enters the box showing the ball, hides it with his body, pushes with his ass and gets in with his heels. He pisses on the centerback with a dedicated piece. and touches her gently to put her on the path to glory.

by Santi Gimenez for AS.com (2020)

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2020.06.22 13:40 LordVelaryon Kubala, the path to glory of Barcelona's most loved legend: A story of overcoming, adventures, crazy nights, majestic matches and of a good man who made everybody around him happy.

Nothing in Kubala's life was normal. Now that TV series about sportsmen are fashionable, the one that could be made about the adventures of Ladislao Kubala Stecz (Budapest, 1927) would raze through many seasons. In one season we could go deeper into his facet of legendary footballer, capable of changing the way of playing this sport, how he saved his life at the very last moment by not getting on the Torino plane that crashed in Superga, or how he was ten minutes away from signing for Real Madrid or enrolling in the Pirate League of Colombia, all of this in order to end being Barcelona's biggest icon... who ended playing for Espanyol.
We could add a season of adventures due to his incredible escape from communist Hungary. His journey through Italy with a football team, the Hungaria, of stateless people in which in addition to Hungarians also played Croats, Albanians, Romanians and Serbs who were looking for a life as good as they could get. One could also add to this the facet of the social phenomenon that dazzled a country during the dark years of Franco's regime by becoming a pop star, and end up with another season about the legends, real, invented or simply exaggerated, of his adventures in Barcelona's nightclubs.
Everything about Kubala is like a movie.

The legend of the escape.

Born in Budapest to a Hungarian man and a Slovakian woman, he always considered himself as both Hungarian and Slovakian, even when this republic was part of the now extinct Czechoslovakia. By the age of 20, Kubala was a football star known for his performances with Slovan Bratislava and Vasas Budapest. In fact, he had already been capped by Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Later, he would go on to play for Spain, and is still the only player to have been capped by three countries. But fed up with the system that was preventing him from developing his professional football career, he embarked on an escape proper of a movie to the West. He contacted a human trafficking organisation, a mafia that, in exchange for a large amount of money, facilitated a partial escape. As is now the case with criminals who gamble with the lives of people who want to cross the Mediterranean from Africa to Europe or pass to the United States through the southern border, the smugglers did not secure anything. The last part of the journey depended on the luck and expertise of the escapees and often ended tragically.
"I remember that when I escaped from Hungary I was just a kid. The traffickers left us in the middle of a mountain to do the last stretch on foot. We were a large group. The adults gathered the children and gave us palinka. A liquor similar to brandy to get us drunk and fall asleep. A child's cry could alert the border guards patrolling the mountain. And they had orders to shoot to kill. The group split in two. My group was lucky and we were able to win the Austrian border. Once we were safe, we learned that the other group that had travelled with us and took another road was discovered and killed." The chilling story is that of Zoltan Czibor, the son of the former Barça player who tells how he had to flee Hungary with his family to join his father in Italy. The odyssey of Kubala, six years earlier, was mirrored.
The traffickers disguised Kubala as a Russian soldier and put him in a truck that would leave the escapees at an undetermined point in the mountains so that they could cross the border into Austria on their own. Kubala remembered that this journey scared him to death because unlike his comrades, he was a national celebrity and any soldier who checked the military truck would recognize him. He was endangering his life and the lives of those who accompanied him.
When they were left in the mountain on January 27, 1949, Kubala walked, and crossing a river helped by a tire that carried him, managed to reach Innsbuck, Austria, without any documentation. He was a stateless man starting from scratch.
In Austria he managed to sign with Pro Patria, a team from Milan, but he could only play friendly matches. His escape provoked the anger of the Hungarian regime, which denounced him and blocked his registration. Kubala had married Anna Daucik two years earlier, sister of Fernando Daucik, a veteran player of the era who would later become a famous coach. When Kubala fled, he left behind his family, whom he was unable to reunite with until six months later, when Anna was able to cross the border and meet Ladislao in Udine. He arrived with one more member of the family. A baby, her firstborn, whom Kubala did not yet know.
While he is irregularly enrolled in the Pro Patria, he gets the chance to sign with Torino, Italy's dominant team at the time. He is offered a trial match. Nothing better than a friendly match that Il Grande Torino had in Lisbon as a tribute to Xico Ferreira. However, when the Turin team's plane is about to take off, the president of Torino prevents Kubala from boarding because he fears a federal sanction. On the return flight, on 4 May 1949, the Fiat G 212 of Avio Linee Italiana crashed into the retaining wall of the Basilica of Superga due to the wind, poor visibility and an error in the altimeter of the aircraft. At 180 kilometres per hour and with a visibility of 40 metres, the pilot saw the stone wall of the basilica too late when he thought the plane was at 2,000 metres and was actually at 690 metres above sea level. The 31 people who were travelling in that aircraft died. Kubala had saved his life again.

The legend of Hungaria.

With no possibility of playing in Italy because the back then very powerful Italian Communist Party was pressing to prevent people fleeing from countries in the orbit of the USSR from taking refuge in Italy, Kubala had no choice but to form a team of stateless people who hired their services throughout Europe to play friendly matches against whoever hired them.
The team was called Hungaria, was managed by his brother-in-law Fernando Daucik and was mainly made up of Hungarians, although there were also players of other nationalities. It was made up of: Kis, Marik, Torok, Mogoy, Lami, Rákosi, Hrotko, Majteny, Nagy, Kubala, Otto, Licker, Turbeky, Monsider (Croatian), De Lorenzi (Albanian), Szegedi (Romanian) and Arangelovic (Serbian).
They played their first match against Italy's B team, but again pressure from the PCI forced them to play outside Italy. And that is how they arrived in Spain, hired by Santiago Bernabéu. On June 5, 1950, they faced Real Madrid in Chamartin, losing 4-2, but with a stellar performance by Kubala, who scored both of his team's goals. Three days later, they beat the Spanish team that was preparing for the World Cup in Brazil, where they came in fourth, 1-2 again with a great performance by Kubala, who received an offer from Real Madrid to be signed.
Kubala requires that to join the team, Madrid must also hire Daucik as a coach, something that Bernabéu does not agree to. The Madrid coach at that time was the Briton Keeping, a great connoisseur of WM tactics. Daucik is offered to train the Plus Ultra, a Madrid branch that plays in the third division. That negative and the federative problems that drags Kubala cause that Madrid becomes disinterested in his transfer, that was already agreed lacking of some fringes that turned out to be determinant.
The Hungaria moves two days later to Barcelona, where on June 10 plays against Espanyol losing 6-4 in a match with Pepe Samitier, the technical secretary of Barça, in the stands. It is necessary to emphasize that Hungaria had been playing three matches in five days with a very short team and without being able to make substitutions. Even so, Kubala amazes and Samitier does not mess around. Six days after that match, on 16 June 1950, at half past six in the evening, Kubala signed his three-year contract with Barça at the Pasaje Méndez Vigo. Obviously, with Fernando Daucik as coach. President Montal, Sr., signed him as an "amateur player" in order to avoid any trouble for the federation.
Real Madrid rages and is shocked. Pablo Hernández, general secretary of the white entity and Santiago Bernabéu's right hand, assures that Barça had broken a non-aggression pact between both teams and had hired a player with whom they were in talks. Samitier, who was unbeatable in the media, declares that he had been following Kubala for months and that the pact had not been broken because it referred only to players who played in Spanish teams. And Hungaria was not Spanish. In fact, it wasn't from anywhere.
But Kubala's problems didn't end there. He still didn't have a registration card or an international certificate. Vasas in Budapest and the Hungarian Federation had reported him to FIFA. Barça used the weak argument that since professionalism had been abolished in Hungary, any amateur player could choose his destiny. But the fight was not going to be so easy.
Barça, it is fair to say, had the total support of the regime and the Federation to carry out the transfer. At the level of anti-communist propaganda, Kubala was perfect. A young and extraordinary sportsman who fled from the red hell to take refuge in Franco's Spain was a candy too sweet to let go. Muñoz Calero, president of the Federation, rowed in favor of Barça as did Ricardo Cabot, secretary of the organization, who, in addition to his affection for the regime, was a well-known Barcelona supporter.
But the procedures were very slow and Kubala could only play friendly matches. He made his debut against Osasuna on 12 October, scoring two goals on the day the Barça fans knew instantly that they had just signed a star. Then he played against Zaragoza, Frankfurt twice, Girona and the Badalona. In six friendlies he scored 11 goals. The fans and the player himself were eager to meet in an official match. For all this, the Federation to play the role with FIFA fined Barça every time he lined up Kubala with the symbolic figure of 50 pesetas.
It is at this time that Kubala is about to leave everything and go away from Barça. He needed the money and wanted to play at the highest level and in Colombia he was offered the chance to do so. The South American country had organised the so-called Pirate League outside FIFA and many of the world's biggest stars joined, including Alfredo Di Stefano who went to Millonarios in Bogota. Kubala had a tempting offer from Atletico Bucaramanga. With the option of Kubala leaving, events accelerated. To begin with, Barça fixed his financial situation by means of a peculiar amateur contract in which they paid him 1,200 pesetas for "compensation" and 3,800 for "encouragement and overfeeding".
On April 2, 1951, he was granted the status of political refugee as a stateless person, which was a step towards granting him Spanish nationality. But for this step, Kubala first had to be converted to Catholicism through the sacrament of baptism. Every Spaniard had to be a Catholic. Kubala was baptized in Aguilas, Murcia, the birthplace of Muñoz Calero, president of the Federation. It is then when Barça, to avoid problems, settles its differences economically with Vasas, which despite being against capitalism accepts a payment of 300,000 pesetas to provide the transfer, while the Pro Patria, which also complained, is satisfied with 12 million lire.
The Kubala era could now really commence.

The legend on the field.

Kubala made his official debut with Barcelona in Sevilla in a cup match. The Sevillistas at that time were one of the best teams. Sevilla and Barça had developed in that period a great rivalry in the high places of the table. In 1946 Sevilla had stolen the possibility of winning the championship from Barça by drawing in Les Corts on the last day, in 1948 Barça beat the Sevillians in the final of the Eva Perón Cup (which would be the current Supercup) and in that campaign a Barça without Kubala had lost all its options to win La Liga after losing 4-0 in Nervión three days before the end of the season.
The Cup, by that time was played once the regular season was over and in those circumstances the official debut of Kubala took place. On April 29th in Nervion, Barça arrived to play against Sevilla in the middle of a difficult atmosphere. The Andalusians had lost the league in a dramatic outcome when they drew at home in the last match against Atletico Madrid with a refereeing performance that the locals judged scandalous. For further concern, the Federation allowed Kubala to line up with Barça in the first round of the Cup, which in Sevilla was taken as a surprise.
With the stadium full to the flag, Barcelona defeated Sevilla in an exhibition of Kubala. He wasn't just the best of the match but he showed Spain a way of playing football unthinkable until that time: chest controls, shots with curve, millimetric changes of play of 40 meters, protection of the ball with his back, use of the body in the shot and touches with the heel.
Domenech, Sevilla's attacker who was the direct protagonist of that match, explained years later how he remembered that day.
"It was something never seen before. Ramallets kicked it and he would receive her with his chest, or with either of his legs. If you tackled him he would dribble you in a brick. He'd put the ball where he wanted her. Besides, from time to time he changed with César, he'd be a center forward and César would be a midfielder. They drove us crazy. The anger of the people became clamours. We were witnessing something extraordinary. It was like going from black and white cinema to colour," explained the former Sevilla player. The Sevilla crowd, who had welcomed Barça and its new superstar with anger, ended up giving Kubala a standing ovation for every action as if they were watching a glorious bullfighting performance.
Kubala's actions on the field change football forever. Since there was no television, his exploits are reported orally. There is no other way to see it than to go to the field of Les Corts, which is packed for every game Barça plays as a local. It is a very common argument to say that Kubala forced Barça to build the Camp Nou because the old Les Corts was not enough to accommodate all the people who wanted to admire him. Maybe he had an influence, but as the journalist Frederic Porta, author of an interesting biography of Kubala (Kubala, l'heroi que va canviar la història del Barça. Ed. Saldonar) explains, "the truth is that Barça had already bought the land to build the Camp Nou two years before and the idea of making a bigger field already existed, but Kubala advanced everything and justified the change".
Blessed with brutal technique, a sensational strike of the ball and an unusual physical strength, Kubala changed football. He would throw free-kicks over the wall with curve or by making the ball bounce in front of the goalkeeper, he would take penalties (he was practically infallible) with what was later called paradinha and was credited with the Brazilians although he was the first in Europe to do so. Physically he was a bull. In his youth he had practiced boxing and if he didn't become a recognized fighter with a great career it was because he had short arms. His lower body was sensational. He had a butt and legs that allowed him to protect the ball like no one else. Frederic Porta says that "in his time of splendour they measured his thighs and each one had a circumference of 69 centimetres, which would be the waist of one of his companions". He was also capable of running the 100 metres in less than 11 seconds. A total athlete with a very refined technique.
However, that physical strength and the confidence he had in her, for he never avoided a collision, were his downfall. Kubala became the target of a hunt by rival defenders. He never went into hiding and that's why in eleven years at Barcelona he suffered up to eleven injuries of some seriousness. With matches without television, the harshness that bordered on violence was the order of the day. He was being kicked to death.
But Barça was living its most golden period to date. Moreover, the club revolved around Kubala. Frederic Porta compares it with the present time: "Now they say that Messi commands the club and surely he commands, but nothing to do with the influence that Kubala had. Kubala was the boss and even the one who decided the transfers. And no one was surprised. That Barça adopted the socks with the horizontal stripes blaugrana is his imposition. He saw them on the rugby team, liked them and incorporated them into the football team by decree. In fact, it is he who insists on signing Luis Suarez when he impresses him in a match against Deportivo. Kubala was Suarez's first fan, but what happened in the stands, which was divided between Suaristas and Kubalistas, is another matter.
Suarez was eight years younger than Kubala. He arrived at Barcelona at the age of 19, Kubala was 27 and his physique was very punished by his injuries and the life he was living, as he did not deprive himself of anything. If he held out, it was because of privileged genetics.
Therefore, there never was a real competition between them, but there was a lot of influence here from the figure of Helenio Herrera, the Barça manager, who saw Kubala as older and slower and was looking forward to a quick change by the young Galician as the leader of the team. The debate reached the stands and the media. It was an absurd debate, because they didn't play in the same position, with whom Kubala really had a certain rivalry with Eulogio Martínez, who was the one with whom he alternated the position.
Kubala's physical problems were not only due to injuries. He had the whole of Spain in suspense when he suffered a tuberculosis that could have cost him his life. There are apocryphal versions that explain that this tuberculosis was actually a stab wound he suffered in a fight in a cheap pub in the fifth district (Barcelona's Chinatown) and he has to retire to Montseny to recover. Nobody is betting on his return to the pitch if he survives a "hole in the lung the size of a silver bullet" according to the chronicles of the time. But once again, Kubala's ability to survive prevails. He returns to the pitches, but already heavily punished and slowed down.
It is against this backdrop that the 1961 European Cup final arrives, with Kubala arriving at the age of 34 with a herniated disc that barely allows him to walk, but he wants to play. He knows that the club is going through a critical situation despite having reached the final of the maximum trophy for the first time: the club is bankrupt because of the construction of the Camp Nou, the fights in the board of directors are chaotic, Luis Suarez has signed for Inter (the one in Bern will be his last game with Barça), which was where Helenio Herrera had left the team in the hands of Enrique Orizaola.
Kubala tells Orizaola to line him up, that like all the Portuguese will go for him and he can barely move because of the back pain and will play with painkillers, it will give more opportunities to his teammates. But the match is a pile of misfortunes for Barcelona. Ramallets scores an own goal, Barça shoots three times to the damn square posts of the goals (from then on they would change their shape) even Kubala kicked a ball that hit a post, went through the goal line until it hit the other post and came out repelled. Barça lost and Kubala's time at Barcelona came to an end.

The man of the year.

Kubala's significance goes beyond the playing field. According to a vote made for Radio Barcelona by journalist Joaquín Soler Serrano in the mid-50s, the Catalans most loved by their fellow citizens were Doctor Barraquer and Ladislao Kubala.
"He was literally the most famous person in the city, people really venerated him, and even Messi's influence cannot be compared to that of Kubala in those years," explains Porta.
His life off the field was notorious. An unrepentant night owl, it was common to see him in Barcelona's fashionable coffee shops and nightclubs. He was a man who stood out. Alfredo Relaño defines him in some of his articles as "a demigod. Tall, strong, blond with blue eyes and an overflowing personality. He aroused the admiration of men and women alike. An idol". Frederic Porta sums it up with the argument that "he would be the sum of Messi and Beckham and on top of that, he would go out every night".
Faced with Kubala's disorganised life, the Barcelona management decided to set up a private detective agency to follow him at night. The reports of the detectives are still in the Centre de Documentació del FC Barcelona and Frederic Porta published them in the history magazine 'Sàpiens'. In them, he gives a detailed account of the nocturnal wanderings of "Mr. K.", the code name of the Blaugrana star in an exercise in absurd discretion. There is also a letter from a Sabadell businessman in the club's archives, expressing concern that Kubala and Czibor had been "found in a Sabadell establishment after 2.30 in the morning accompanied by some of those ladies who were once gentlemen, I don't know if you understand". What the businessman doesn't explain in the letter is what he was doing in the same place.
Kubala's fondness for drinking was no secret. Helenio Herrera explains in a television interview that "one day at an airport in customs they asked Kubala if he had anything to declare and he said two bottles of whisky. The official asked him to show them to him and he, laughing, touched his belly and said: 'X-ray, I have them inside'. On another occasion, in the same situation, but carrying the bottle in the bag, he was told to leave it at the airport because no alcoholic drinks were allowed to be taken on board. Neither shy nor lazy, he drank it in front of the astonished official.
The legends about the occasions when the night was made longer and he did not arrive at training sessions or matches were recurrent. In that case, he called on the services of Angel Mur Sr., the team masseur who knew where to find him. He would start a pilgrimage through the usual places or floors until he found him, took him to the changing room, gave him a cold shower, a coffee with salt, a massage and played. The fans forgave him everything and were aware that their star was a man of joyful life. But he never failed on the field. Among the crowd at the time there were comments about the Kubala ritual in those games that followed a busy night. "He started off badly, and vaguely, but the signal was when, ten minutes into the game, he rolled up his sleeves as if to say 'I'm here, let's start, I've already cleared off', and the machine started to work.
You can't find anyone in the world who speaks ill of Kubala. Absolutely no one. Everyone highlights his huge heart and that despite being by far the highest paid player of the time (he earned six times more than his teammates) he didn't have a no for anyone. His detachment from money was legendary.
As proof, the anecdote explained by his biographer Porta: "one day he arrived at the dressing room and commented that his car had been stolen and that in the glove compartment he was carrying an envelope with 200,000 pesetas, which was a fortune for the time (a good apartment could cost 130,000 pesetas). When his colleagues tried to encourage him, he simply said: someone who needs it more than I do must have taken it".
It was also usual for him to take off his coat and give it to a poor man who begged in Barcelona's winter, or to take in any Hungarian who came to Barcelona asking for help in his house in Carrer Duquesa d'Orleans. Kubala, remembering his times as a stateless refugee without papers, asked nothing. He would take them home and pay them a boat ticket to America. The motto among the refugees fleeing the Iron Curtain was that "if you get to Barcelona, look for Kubala, he will help you". He never failed.
Later, now retired, he set up a bar next to Czibor in Capitan Arenas Street, the mythical Kep Duna (blue Danube in Hungarian) that became an unofficial refugee reception centre that was monitored by the secret services of the United States, the USSR and the Spanish police. Something like the Rick's Café in the film Casablanca, but in the upper area of Barcelona.
He was the great character of Barcelona loved by all, but there was a moment when this was almost broken, strange as it may seem. It coincided with the defeat in Bern, when a part of the press came to write that "Barça must be de-Kubalized as the Soviet Union must be de-Stalinized" and, especially, when he signed for Espanyol. The earthquake was a huge one.

From the bench to Sarrià.

After the defeat in Bern's final, Kubala announced his retirement from the fields. He had taken the coaching course and was ranked number one in his class. He made a pact with the president Llaudet, who was also an interesting character as we will see, that in principle he would take charge of the footballers' school of the club and that in a couple of years he would be in charge of the first team.
Meanwhile, Barcelona is directed by Lluís Miró who faces a team in disarray. Suarez has been transferred to Inter in the worst decision in the club's history and myths such as Ramallets, Tejada and Czibor were in the decline of their careers. The season starts badly and after losing at Mestalla to Valencia by a humiliating 6-2 that forces the resignation of Miro. It was time for Kubala, who was promoted to the first team in front of the joy of the fans. And the project results from the beginning. The Barça of the second part of season 61-62 recovers in La Liga and finishes second (the distance with the white ones when Kubala arrived was almost insurmountable) and avenges the 6-2 of Mestalla beating Valencia in the Camp Nou 4-0.
Facing the next season, the 62-63, Kubala can make his team by giving painful drops of some of his former teammates as it is the case of Eulogio Martinez or Evaristo. One of Llaudet's reluctances to give Kubala the job of coach was that he would have to manage some of his former teammates.
The positive expectations about Kubala's first full project were frustrated at first when the Blaugrana team had to play the final of the Copa de Ferias against Valencia, the team that caused the fall of Miró and the promotion of Kubala. And the history, by rare that it seems, repeats: Valencia returns to him to put 6-2 to the Barça. The fans explode against the team. In the return match, obviously, there is nothing to do, but Llaudet's ability to self-flagellation has no limits. As Alfredo Relaño writes, the Blaugrana president calls a dinner with the press the day before the game and makes this statement that if it happened today would open all the news.
Llaudet, in front of the press and accompanied by the coach Kubala and Gràcia as captain, asks the fans to forgive him and announces changes in the protocol of the start of the second leg. "Valencia will go out first to receive the applause, then Barcelona, to receive the whistles. Then Kubala will come out, so he can get the thunders. And finally me, so that all the whistles fall on my person, because I am the barcelonist who loves the club the most and who is destined to die on the pitch, if necessary...". He ends his speech crying. As we can see, Gaspart didn't invent anything.
The match ended in a draw and Kubala's project as Barça's coach was doomed. The manager is fired in the middle of the season and then a bomb explodes in Barcelona. Kubala accepts the offer to return to the pitch, but not as a coach, will be as a player and nothing more and nothing less than in Espanyol, Barça's eternal rival.
On 3 September 1963 Espanyol, then Español, announced that Kubala would be hired as a player. At 36 years of age, he was capable of being competitive.
His decision divides the public opinion. On the one hand, Federico Gallo and Juan José Castillo support his decision, on the other hand, Carlos Pardo or Ibáñez Escofet shoot at him. They call him a "Jew who sells himself for a plate of beans", a "traitor" and they see political interests in his decision.
Kubala explains that he wanted to continue playing and that he saw himself capable of doing so, although he accepted that he was not at Barcelona's level. He had received offers from important clubs, including River Plate and Juventus, but he doesn't want to leave Barcelona, where he feels like another Barcelonian. The Espanyol meets his expectations.
His start of the season is not bad, on the contrary, he scores in his first two games, but the team doesn't work out. The coexistence between the veteran newcomer Kubala and the team's symbol, Argilés, is not easy. Scopelli is dismissed as coach and de facto command of the team is given to the two team leaders despite their differences. The crisis erupts when the Spaniard visits the Camp Nou. The periquitos lose by 5-0 in a match in which the Barcelona crowd booed Kubala who they are eager to humiliate with his new team. Even so, at the end of the match, Kubala has a gesture to his former team that shows that he does not hold any grudge against what he has heard from the stands. At the end of the match, he organizes his teammates to make the corridor to Barça applauding the rival in recognition of the exhibition made. That gesture feels bad among the Espanyol fans and among some of his teammates. Argilés does not make the corridor and goes straight to the changing rooms.
The following year, Kubala becomes a manager-player and among the departures that he causes, there is the one of Argilés, but by contrast, Di Stéfano arrives, also hurt by his bad exit from Madrid fighting against Bernabéu.
Di Stefano and Kubala are like brothers. Even though they haven't officially played together, they have a special chemistry. A friendship that is forged when the Argentinian is about to sign for Barcelona.
When Di Stéfano arrives in Barcelona to sign for Español, he stays first at the Avenida Palace Hotel, but after a month he is living in Kubala's house as one of the family. The children of both always maintained a relationship as if they were brothers.
One of the players under Kubala's command was Jose Maria Rodilla, one of the players who would soon form the famous 'Dolphins' forward line. At 80 years of age, Rodilla remembers Kubala.
"I have a wonderful memory of Kubala, I always had a special affection for him. Not in vain, he was the one who signed me for Espanyol", he remembers when answering the call of this newspaper to which he confesses that* "normally I do not make declarations, but to speak about Kubala I do whatever is needed"*.
Rodilla, former teammate at Espanyol, has clear that "he was the best player in the world in terms of technique. Di Stéfano was the best footballer, but he didn't have his technique. Alfredo was more intense and more player of the whole field, but he could not do things that Kubala did"
Those who had the privilege of playing with both of them remember that "for example, Di Stefano wouldn't leave you alone for a minute, he was all over you and the fights were intense, but he always set an example, he never asked you for anything that he didn't do. Kubala was more paternalistic and tolerant. For example, he would ask us to do as he did in training, and while sitting down he would be able to make 3,000 touches on the ball without dropping it. Only he could do that."
Rodilla adds a story that explains Kubala's quality as a player-coach at the age of 38: "We went to play a friendly at Amposta and they called a foul on the edge of the box. Kubala takes the ball and whacks it into the corner. The referee made him repeat it because someone had moved or I don't know what. Kubala takes the ball and wham, back to the square. And the referee tells him that he has to repeat. That day Kubala got angry and left the field."
Rodilla recalls that Kubala's move from Barça to Espanyol created controversy in the city, but that he was oblivious to it. "He was still a magnificent person, I never heard him say a bad word against anyone. He never got into an argument, he was goodness personified, he was unlucky in his time as a coach, but as a coach he is one of the best I've ever had, with a great love for young players and always trying to help you improve."

Boys well, optimal morale.

He extended his playing career for a couple more years by playing for Zurich and even trying out the American adventure at the Toronto Falcons, where he coincides with Branko and Daucik's son. At the age of 40 he played 19 games and scored 5 goals.
In 1968 he returned to Spain and trained the Córdoba team for a short period of time until he was called up to the national team. Kubala will manage the Spanish team until 1980, when he signs for Barcelona again as a coach.
Kubala's debut with Spain was, once again, a propaganda match for the regime. It was played in the Estadio de la Línea de la Concepción against Finland and Spain beat their rivals 6-0 in a match that was no longer useful. Spain had missed out on qualifying for the Mexico '70 World Cup, but the idea of that game was to showcase a great field that could be seen from Gibraltar as if to give jealousy to those in the Rock for the sports culture of Spain. Dictatorship things.
It's true that at that time Spain was struggling more than anything else on the international scene. It did not qualify for the 1974 World Cup because of Katalinski's goal in the play-off match in Frankfurt, and in both the 1978 World Cup and the 1980 European Championship the team fell in the first round, but there is still no one from that era who will make a judgement against Kubala.
"Kubala, one ahead of his time. No doubt he had a lot to do with his past as a footballer. And not just like any other player, like the best! I remember him always saying to me: 'Ruben, you have to get out of the way on the other side of the ball. Look for the space, not the ball. The goal I scored in Yugoslavia has to do with everything he taught me," he told Fermin de la Calle in an interview with AS Ruben Cano, the hero of the famous 'Battle of Belgrade' in the match that took Spain to the World Cup in Argentina. Yes, the one with the goal by Cardeñosa that could have changed Kubala's record with the national team.
He did a lot to improve Spanish football and his idea regarding the incorporation of foreigners to improve the level of Spanish football was key in the future development of the Spanish competitive level.
His players remember him as a didactic person, tactically bold and very close. At a time when fury was the hallmark of the game, Kubala never forgot that he was the heir to the Magyar tradition of the Honved and the Hungary who, by moving the ball, shocked the world the day they destroyed England at Wembley 3-6.
For the average football fan, Kubala may have been a half-hearted coach who embodied an era of the national team in which nothing was won, as has been the case most of the time, and he became popular for his expressions that would now be meme material on social networks. The national team was known as the 'Kubala boys' and the coach's catchphrase before the matches saying "boys well, optimal morale" was the fashionable phrase in the coffee shops of the 70s in Spain.
But among his colleagues, Kubala still deserved reverential respect. "The first goal was authentically Latin, cunningly scored and perfectly studied. I can only congratulate Kubala on his previous tactical work," said German boss Helmut Schön after facing and losing to Spain in a friendly in which the recent world semi-finalist and next world champion fell to the Kubala boys at the Sanchez Pizjuan with two strategic goals from Arieta. Yes, Arieta against Müller. Seeler, Beckembauer, Maier, Netzer and company.
He left the national team in 1980 to join Barça as the coach of Núñez's second project in an operation that was the prelude to what would happen in the World Cup in Russia with Lopetegui. Kubala committed to Barça while he was coach and tried to alternate functions, but Porta refused. Finally, on 8 June 1980, four days before the start of the European Championship, Kubala signed for the Blaugrana team, which he would join after the European Championship.
His second spell at the head of Barça did not go well either and he was dismissed mid-season. He continued his adventure on the bench as coach of Saudi Arabia (in that he was also a pioneer), training Malaga and the Paraguayan national team before retiring from football on the bench of Elche.
He spent his final years in Barcelona as active as ever. Playing with Barça veterans, helping his teammates, not having a no for anyone and playing tennis every day or going for a run or cycling routes exhibiting an enviable physical condition.
Until the light of genius and the glory faded away 18 years ago. A degenerative brain disease put an end to the adventure, but not to the legend of a world football myth. An icon that changed the lives of so many people that they wouldn't fit even in a stadium.
The coffin with the mortal remains of Kubala was carried on shoulders, amidst the applause of the fans who gathered at the doors of the church of Santa Tecla, by Alfredo Di Stéfano, Gustau Biosca, Eduardo Manchón, Estanislao Basora, Joan Segarra, Josep Bartomeu, Luis Suárez, Antoni Ramallets and Gonzalvo III.
He rests in the cemetery of Les Corts, next to the Camp Nou because that is what he left written in his will, while Serrat sang to him about how...
...Pelé was Pelé and Maradona was the one and that's it. Di Stéfano was a pit of mischief. Honour and glory to those who made the sun shine on our football. Everyone has his merits; to each his own, but for me none is like Kubala. Respectable silence is requested, for those who haven't enjoyed him, I'll say four things: he stops it with his head, he drops it on with his chest, he sleeps it off with his left, crosses the pitch with the ball attached to the boot, leaves the midfield and enters the box showing the ball, hides it with his body, pushes with his ass and gets in with his heels. He pisses on the centerback with a dedicated piece. and touches her gently to put her on the path to glory.

by Santi Gimenez for AS.com (2020)

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USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
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USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
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When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
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If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
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The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
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How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
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KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
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When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
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KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
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Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
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Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

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2020.05.04 14:00 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Discussion Thread Paused Season Common Q&A + Coronavirus Updates - 04 May 2020

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread, a place to have discussions about anything hockey or anything else on your mind.

Regular Threads

Mod News/Threads

FAQs on the NHL's Suspension

There's lots of unknowns. Until we know it, here are some answers so far.
Also read this article, which isn't behind a paywall: What will the NHL season look like if it resumes after the coronavirus shutdown?
Question Answer Thread
Is the regular season cancelled? No
Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
What happens to UFAs? The NHL may push free agency back, but players will still become UFAs. Link

Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

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2020.05.03 14:01 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Discussion Thread Paused Season Common Q&A + Coronavirus Updates - 03 May 2020

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread, a place to have discussions about anything hockey or anything else on your mind.

Regular Threads

Mod News/Threads

FAQs on the NHL's Suspension

There's lots of unknowns. Until we know it, here are some answers so far.
Also read this article, which isn't behind a paywall: What will the NHL season look like if it resumes after the coronavirus shutdown?
Question Answer Thread
Is the regular season cancelled? No
Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
What happens to UFAs? The NHL may push free agency back, but players will still become UFAs. Link

Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

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2020.05.02 14:00 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Discussion Thread Paused Season Common Q&A + Coronavirus Updates - 02 May 2020

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread, a place to have discussions about anything hockey or anything else on your mind.

Regular Threads

Mod News/Threads

FAQs on the NHL's Suspension

There's lots of unknowns. Until we know it, here are some answers so far.
Also read this article, which isn't behind a paywall: What will the NHL season look like if it resumes after the coronavirus shutdown?
Question Answer Thread
Is the regular season cancelled? No
Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
What happens to UFAs? The NHL may push free agency back, but players will still become UFAs. Link

Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

Some useful resources

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2020.05.01 14:00 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Discussion Thread Paused Season Common Q&A + Coronavirus Updates - 01 May 2020

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread, a place to have discussions about anything hockey or anything else on your mind.

Regular Threads

Mod News/Threads

FAQs on the NHL's Suspension

There's lots of unknowns. Until we know it, here are some answers so far.
Also read this article, which isn't behind a paywall: What will the NHL season look like if it resumes after the coronavirus shutdown?
Question Answer Thread
Is the regular season cancelled? No
Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
What happens to UFAs? The NHL may push free agency back, but players will still become UFAs. Link

Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

Some useful resources

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2020.04.30 14:01 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Discussion Thread Paused Season Common Q&A + Coronavirus Updates - 30 Apr 2020

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread, a place to have discussions about anything hockey or anything else on your mind.

Regular Threads

Mod News/Threads

FAQs on the NHL's Suspension

There's lots of unknowns. Until we know it, here are some answers so far.
Also read this article, which isn't behind a paywall: What will the NHL season look like if it resumes after the coronavirus shutdown?
Question Answer Thread
Is the regular season cancelled? No
Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
What happens to UFAs? The NHL may push free agency back, but players will still become UFAs. Link

Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

Some useful resources

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2020.04.29 14:01 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Discussion Thread Paused Season Common Q&A + Coronavirus Updates - 29 Apr 2020

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread, a place to have discussions about anything hockey or anything else on your mind.

Regular Threads

Mod News/Threads

FAQs on the NHL's Suspension

There's lots of unknowns. Until we know it, here are some answers so far.
Also read this article, which isn't behind a paywall: What will the NHL season look like if it resumes after the coronavirus shutdown?
Question Answer Thread
Is the regular season cancelled? No
Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
What happens to UFAs? The NHL may push free agency back, but players will still become UFAs. Link

Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

Some useful resources

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2020.04.28 14:01 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Discussion Thread Paused Season Common Q&A + Coronavirus Updates - 28 Apr 2020

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread, a place to have discussions about anything hockey or anything else on your mind.

Regular Threads

Mod News/Threads

FAQs on the NHL's Suspension

There's lots of unknowns. Until we know it, here are some answers so far.
Also read this article, which isn't behind a paywall: What will the NHL season look like if it resumes after the coronavirus shutdown?
Question Answer Thread
Is the regular season cancelled? No
Are the playoffs cancelled? No
So who will go to the playoffs? Currently, the plan is to finish the regular season. The season is just paused. Another theory is using points percentage and using that to determine playoffs.
When will the NHL season resume? We don't know yet.
Are players practicing? Currently, no. Link
How will conditional picks sort out? The season is only paused, so hopefully this resolves itself. More info in thread. Link
If the season doesn't end in the summer, when will the next season start? No one knows. But the NHL intends to play a full season next year. Link
Could the NHL change the draft lottery, if the season is cancelled? Unlikely Link
What happens to UFAs? The NHL may push free agency back, but players will still become UFAs. Link

Coronavirus/COVID-19 News

The spread of Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting the hockey world. Feel free to discuss it here. If you want medical information about the disease, consult with your physician and/or relevant authorities.
This list is not exhaustive. Compiled by sandman730 and randompunkt. Want to help? Message the mods and we'll give you access.
Headline Source Thread
KHL has cancelled the remainder of the 2019-20 season KHL Link
The CHL and regional leagues have made the difficult decision to cancel our 2020 Playoffs and Memorial Cup. Canadian Hockey League Link
2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled IIHF Link
USHL Cancels Remainder of Season Due to COVID-19 USHL Link
The SHL (and all other Swedish leagues) has been cancelled SHL Link
The 2019-20 ECHL Season has been cancelled. ECHL Link
IIHF cancels U18 Worlds IIHF Link
Finnish Liiga season is over. No champion awarded. Liiga Link
No Champion in the National League Swiss Hockey News Link
EIHL cancels all remaining games. EIHL Link
Hockey Canada statement in response to coronavirus (COVID-19) Hockey Canada Link
NCAA cancels remaining winter and spring championships NCAA Link
American Hockey League suspends play. AHL Link
The NHL pauses 2019-20 season NHL PR Link
NWHL Postpones 2020 Isobel Cup Final NWHL Link
USA Hockey Cancels National Championships, Disabled Festival USA Hockey Link
The Ice Hockey Federation of Slovenia has in light of the decision of the World Health Organisation to declare COVID-19 pandemic decided to stop all its ice hockey competitions. Slovenia Ice Hockey Link
Czech Extraliga playoffs postponed due to COVID-19 Hokej Link
Slovan Bratislava announces that the Slovak clubs of the top TipsportLiga have decided to cancel the remainder of the 2019-2020 season. This means that five countries so far have cancelled hockey season: AUT, GER, POL, NOR and SVK. Szymon Szemberg Link
German Hockey League DEL suspended because of Corona. No champion in 2020. DEL Link
EBEL aborts playoffs due to measures taken by Austrian government to contain COVID-19 Erste Bank Liga Link
Danish Metal League play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 Metalligaen Link
Norwegian GET-Ligaen play-offs postponed due to COVID-19 NRK
Women’s Worlds cancelled IIHF Link

Some useful resources

If you have specific feedback about these threads please message the mods. Bot is maintained by sandman730. Message him with any bugs.
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